Post by: FastTracker33 on June 28, 2008, 06:23:31 AM
First off, though, I have a question.. What exactly does "HUMID" weather do to lanes? Every time I have ever bowled when it was humid outside, the lanes barely hook at all.
Today, my Rising I thought was a piece of junk. It wouldn't hook the same way as it did Wednesday, it wouldn't hit the same, but it still revved up the same beautiful way it does. I was standing 5 boards right of the first day I threw it, but hitting the same mark on the lane. It was kind of annoying me, but towards the 6th or 7th game, it really started moving again.. although it was a different movement. It's now more early and arcy, but that's not a bad thing, because it was still a beautiful reaction + it was hitting harder.
Altogether I now have about 13 games on my Rising. About 40 more games, and i'll probably be back on Track.
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Post by: Juggernaut on June 28, 2008, 03:01:53 PM
I think ( my theory ) that, as oil and water don't mix, the humidity settles on the lane, on top of the lane oil. Then, when you throw the ball, the water is forced down, causing the water and oil to make a soupy, mushy mix on the lane that is "goopy" in its nature, much slicker and more viscous than water or oil by themselves.
Most times, humidity causes the lanes here to play much slicker, become much spottier, and carrydown more than usual. By the end of three games, the lanes here are slick from front to back, but only in strips where nobody has played. Where people have played, the heads get dry and the backends get slick.
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Post by: Grayson on June 29, 2008, 08:19:43 AM
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I don't know about anyone else, but, when it is humid here, the lanes seem to get "sloppy".
I think ( my theory ) that, as oil and water don't mix, the humidity settles on the lane, on top of the lane oil. Then, when you throw the ball, the water is forced down, causing the water and oil to make a soupy, mushy mix on the lane that is "goopy" in its nature, much slicker and more viscous than water or oil by themselves.
Most times, humidity causes the lanes here to play much slicker, become much spottier, and carrydown more than usual. By the end of three games, the lanes here are slick from front to back, but only in strips where nobody has played. Where people have played, the heads get dry and the backends get slick.
same here... then it is time to pull out either a smooth rolling strong reactive or particle
even my particle pearl becomes o/u or doesn't hook much at all
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Post by: charlest on June 29, 2008, 09:34:45 AM
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Here's just an update of how I feel on my new The Rising.
First off, though, I have a question.. What exactly does "HUMID" weather do to lanes? Every time I have ever bowled when it was humid outside, the lanes barely hook at all.
Today, my Rising I thought was a piece of junk. ...
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To be honest, I'm kind of disappointed in the point of view expressed by the above statement. You have been here more than long enough to know this is not true of any ball. More so, you know it is not true of the Rising because you have used it before and been very positive about it. How could, all of a sudden, become "a piece of junk"?
Many balls, in fact, most balls these days are not as versatile as balls used to be. That means you will often find conditions that are not appropriate for that one ball, be it the Rising, or any other. This applies especially during the Summer, when you never know when they are going to oil, how much they will oil, who is operating the machine, and who might have been on the lanes before you.
Just because one ball isn't working on every unknown condition (excess humidity is only one), will never make that ball, "a piece of junk".
Yes, when there's lots of humidity and a center's A/C is not up to the task of drying out the outside air, lanes will seem more oily and possibly act as if there was carrydown. A medium oil ball, with a 4000 grit finish, like the Rising, could be especially susceptible, almost as much as a polish resin pearl.
Humidity also makes synthetic approaches incredibly sticky or tacky.
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Post by: Xcessive_Evil on June 29, 2008, 10:24:55 AM
And I don't think he meant the ball is a piece of junk period, I just think that was his way of saying it wasn't a good ball to use that day.
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Post by: FastTracker33 on June 29, 2008, 10:49:12 AM
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And I don't think he meant the ball is a piece of junk period, I just think that was his way of saying it wasn't a good ball to use that day.
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Yes, that ^^ is what I meant, actually..
Also, i'm always afraid of ball death. I know there's balls that don't work for people, and balls that do work for people, but the last Ebonite-made ball I purchased was a Hammer Raw Hammer Toxic. I used that ball ONE day, for 6 games, and it was the biggest skid/flip monster i've ever thrown. I take it out the next day, it's junk.. so I thought, hmm, it was probably just the lanes. Next time I take it out, still junk.. and so on and so forth. Now, I don't mean it's LITERALLY junk, but I mean the reaction tamed down to a huge extent. It used to be a skid/flip monster, then it turned into an early rolling, arcing, marshmellow hitting ball. I was just afraid that is what happened to my Rising. I take care of my Rising like it's my baby. Lol.. no lie. I wipe it with my oil absorbing towel every shot, and clean it before it goes back in my bag, all the time i've used it. I just don't want it to turn out like the Toxic, and I was just afraid. Sorry!
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Post by: six pack on June 29, 2008, 12:52:40 PM
it took me awhile to realize this until I started using my old Track equipment and my Brunswick stuff.it's too bad because I really liked the reactions I would see when they worked but I found the covers were to inconsistent.
Ebo gave up on particle covers for this very same reason and just ended up with a higher maintenance cover.
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Post by: louf846 on June 29, 2008, 01:01:51 PM
Way too many variables to blame the weather or the ball.
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Post by: FastTracker33 on June 29, 2008, 03:51:04 PM
Who knows! My next test will be Wednesday for about another 5 games.
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Post by: FastTracker33 on June 29, 2008, 07:07:36 PM
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Make sure you are taking the necesary ball maintenance steps. I wipe down my stuff every shot with a microfiber towel and clean it will energizer after every session.
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Yes, so do I. I use my oil absorbing towel, and use my Beans' Oil Off cleaner. I never really liked Energizer. I used to think it didn't get all the oil out. I got the Beans' cleaner as a temporary until my Power Wash and Clean N' Dull come in. Don't worry, I am prepared. Lol.
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Post by: Mark T. Trgovac on June 30, 2008, 03:21:41 AM
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I know I'm probably going to catch fire for saying this but here goes.that's the #1 complaint I had with my Rising,No Mercy,Black Widow and Resurgence.the cover's changed to much from a little use and it was difficult to expect a certain reaction out of them.I would always have to touch them up after every use with some abralon and it got to be so bad I wouldn't even attempt a ball change sometimes because I felt like it wasn't worth the effort.add the cost of abralon and polish when needed and time on the spinner and the mental thing wondering if it's the lanes,the ball or the bowler.
it took me awhile to realize this until I started using my old Track equipment and my Brunswick stuff.it's too bad because I really liked the reactions I would see when they worked but I found the covers were to inconsistent.
Ebo gave up on particle covers for this very same reason and just ended up with a higher maintenance cover.
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Six, Ebonite gave up on particle covers because of the ability they had to make a solid reactive cover with such a large amount of pores to absorb oil and get the cover to make contract with more friction. However with the USBC having regulations on how pores a ball can be you will see particles come back into play with companys like Ebonite. I have yet to see ball death from any Rising from our shop, that has been taken care of correctly. I have seen them lose backend reaction when cleaned with stuff like Acetone, and even fast drying cleaners like Legends/Lanemasters. I love that stuff for some equipment but not on Ebonite stuff. Correct ball care is something that has been long gone, and people dont like that they have to do it to keep a ball from Ebonite working right. They then go out and bad mouth Ebonite because they dont care for the stuff. As long as a bowler takes care of there equpiment correctly, they should be fine with reaction. The stuff today isnt like the stuff of old. There have been different areas in bowling. I dont mean like the type of ball I mean with what companys have tried to do. We had the years where it was the area to build the most core dynamic ball, the area to have the ball that would live the longest. The area to see what company could get you to pay the most for a ball, the area where companys raced to get out the first particle ball. The area where it was the race to have the strongest cover. The area to have the most overall hooking ball. The area to have, well you get what I am saying. The area we are in right now is the area to give the bowler what they want. They ask for this ball with this and this. They are given it, but with the advancements from the other areas things like not cleaning a ball and it still working are things of the past. Leave that to your Teal Rhino days, or your Days of the Nitro's. In todays game with the strength of the covers, you have to take care of them if you want long term live out of them.
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Post by: charlest on June 30, 2008, 10:43:25 AM
What on earth does the use of (fast drying) Legends cleaner have to do with loss of performance of Ebonite coverstock? I do not understand that resoning behind that statement
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Post by: Brickguy221 on June 30, 2008, 11:55:15 AM
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Sccot,
What on earth does the use of (fast drying) Legends cleaner have to do with loss of performance of Ebonite coverstock? I do not understand that resoning behind that statement
Scoot....ditto for me. I don't understand your reasoning.
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Post by: Mark T. Trgovac on June 30, 2008, 04:57:36 PM
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Post by: FastTracker33 on July 01, 2008, 03:05:18 PM
Anyways, The Rising, Day 3 review coming soon! This ball, in my opinion should be reviewed this way since I am one of the Ebonite made Track balls non-believers. This ball is making me believe
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Post by: charlest on July 02, 2008, 04:40:01 PM
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The strength of that cleaner causes a loss of reaction. I know because of people who only use that cleaner who have stated there ebonite equipment stoped hooking after the use of that cleaner. The cleaner does not play well with ebonite covers that's what it means.
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Sorry, Scoot. I understand how from what these people have said how you can reach that conclusion. However, it is not logical to think that because it cleans the balls so well, its strength, that it causes the ball to lose performance. It makes no sense. I don't think you have all the factors involved.
I'd bet it was something closer to this scenario:
These people think that Legends cleaner is so strong they never bother to do an oil extraction or use Clean and Dull, every few weeks, and then do the oil extraction every 2 - 3 months.
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Post by: Mark T. Trgovac on July 02, 2008, 05:23:46 PM
quote:quote:
The strength of that cleaner causes a loss of reaction. I know because of people who only use that cleaner who have stated there ebonite equipment stoped hooking after the use of that cleaner. The cleaner does not play well with ebonite covers that's what it means.
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Sorry, Scoot. I understand how from what these people have said how you can reach that conclusion. However, it is not logical to think that because it cleans the balls so well, its strength, that it causes the ball to lose performance. It makes no sense. I don't think you have all the factors involved.
I'd bet it was something closer to this scenario:
These people think that Legends cleaner is so strong they never bother to do an oil extraction or use Clean and Dull, every few weeks, and then do the oil extraction every 2 - 3 months.
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No this a personal watch of this happening. I watched the guy who just had his drilled days, no more then 3, clean it and he used it and he had no reaction. This is what I seen first hand. This was no a odd shot. This is my home house and I know how the shot would play.
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Post by: charlest on July 02, 2008, 11:59:26 PM
quote:quote:quote:
The strength of that cleaner causes a loss of reaction. I know because of people who only use that cleaner who have stated there ebonite equipment stoped hooking after the use of that cleaner. The cleaner does not play well with ebonite covers that's what it means.
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Sorry, Scoot. I understand how from what these people have said how you can reach that conclusion. However, it is not logical to think that because it cleans the balls so well, its strength, that it causes the ball to lose performance. It makes no sense. I don't think you have all the factors involved.
I'd bet it was something closer to this scenario:
These people think that Legends cleaner is so strong they never bother to do an oil extraction or use Clean and Dull, every few weeks, and then do the oil extraction every 2 - 3 months.
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No this a personal watch of this happening. I watched the guy who just had his drilled days, no more then 3, clean it and he used it and he had no reaction. This is what I seen first hand. This was no a odd shot. This is my home house and I know how the shot would play.
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hunh????
"had his drilled days" ?
Anyone interpret gibberish? what's going on, Scoot? Are you sober? WHat is this in English?
If he cleaned it and it had no reaction, then it was dead before cleaner touched his ball's surface.
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Post by: Mark T. Trgovac on July 03, 2008, 12:37:57 AM
quote:quote:quote:quote:
The strength of that cleaner causes a loss of reaction. I know because of people who only use that cleaner who have stated there ebonite equipment stopped hooking after the use of that cleaner. The cleaner does not play well with ebonite covers that's what it means.
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Sorry, Scoot. I understand how from what these people have said how you can reach that conclusion. However, it is not logical to think that because it cleans the balls so well, its strength, that it causes the ball to lose performance. It makes no sense. I don't think you have all the factors involved.
I'd bet it was something closer to this scenario:
These people think that Legends cleaner is so strong they never bother to do an oil extraction or use Clean and Dull, every few weeks, and then do the oil extraction every 2 - 3 months.
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No this a personal watch of this happening. I watched the guy who just had his drilled days, no more then 3, clean it and he used it and he had no reaction. This is what I seen first hand. This was no a odd shot. This is my home house and I know how the shot would play.
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hunh????
"had his drilled days" ?
Anyone interpret gibberish? what's going on, Scoot? Are you sober? WHat is this in English?
If he cleaned it and it had no reaction, then it was dead before cleaner touched his ball's surface.
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Lets see here, I was typing an example. The thing we were talking about was a bowling ball AKA the rising. So I stated, 'I watched a guy get his drilled Days, at the most 3, clean it he used it and it had no reaction.'
Here is what this means. I watched a guy get his drilled. Days, maybe 3 at the most, clean it and when he went to use it, it had no reaction.
If you still don't understand, I will use simple words. The man who came and got ball drilled, had it for maybe 3 days, he bowled with it the day it was drilled. Cleaned it with the cleaner, put it in his bag and didn't bowl till about 3 days later. When he pulled it out to use the ball, it did nothing.
So was I sober when I wrote my statement. Yes, I may have let out a few things but it was english. It was wrote just as if we were talking. Now the cleaner in use was Legends. Do I think the cleaner is bad and shouldn't be used, no. However do I find it the best thing to use on ebonite covers, No. I find it bad for them because of how pores they are the cleaner dries to fast and affects the Plasticizers in the cover.
I doubt the ball had no reaction after 2 games. Even for people who hate ebonite because of ball death would havde to agree that, this would be a case of ball death due to cleaner. That is all I am saying about this subject.
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