Author Topic: The Rising Drill Sheet (Read 12651 times)

jhutch769 · « **on:** October 23, 2007, 11:38:36 AM »

Hello,

We just got in a few Risings on Monday and before we drill mine, we wanted to take a closer look at the 360 degree drilling technique. Any idea where we can get more information on that? It says to look up trackbowling.com on the drill sheet, but neither my dad nor I were able to find further information.

We feel that the recommended drilling may be a tad too strong for me.

If anyone has any suggestions, it would be greatly appreciated.

I think my speed is 17 mph and RPM is 375-425.. can't quite remember all the numbers are on the other computer.. Have not computed my axis tilt.

Here are some links to some of my videos..

http://putfile.com/jhutch757

Thank you,

Joe

tenpinspro · « **Reply #91 on:** October 30, 2007, 04:55:07 PM »

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agree with this, but, in your coffee cup example, if you draw a line through the handles, there is another line line perpindicular to the cup on the sides without the handles. In this case, both sides are the same. But if you look at the rising core, both sides are not the same. If you run a line through the sides of the core on the rising that are the same, the other two sides are slightly different. That means that depending on where you drill the ball, depends on which side you are drilling into, which would change ball reaction.=

Very good bro but we're pushing limits now and Ron H can answer this easier and better for you...again(my major was not physics, don't claim to be), I just understand reactions and offer layouts to what will work best for our bowlers from being in the business over 20+ years....I still seek out carpenters/contracters who have to show me where studs are....but this is what I do.
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Edited on 10/30/2007 4:59 PM

tenpinspro · « **Reply #92 on:** October 30, 2007, 05:13:34 PM »

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Rick..can't wait to get my hands on one....just got busy with classes/exams..

And one day I'll have hand like Mini Bob!!
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got one for you too bro....your choice, Kinetic or Rising?....muhauhua
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Edited on 10/30/2007 5:16 PM

DP3 · « **Reply #93 on:** October 30, 2007, 05:17:09 PM »

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Hey dp, I'd normally agree with you but until you guys try this ball, it truly "is" something different. If all cores were 5 or 5ish in weight, how can 7+ not make a difference? THAT'S half of the ball weight...(on a 15)

best comment...minimum bob who I bowled against Friday..."this ball even makes it look like you have hand"....lol.....and it did, 3 practice shots...and went +58 off the gate.....
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Normally I'd agree with you too, but since you are a Track staffer and have been for a long time, as a trained eye, I'm not sure what much more I can see out of this ball over an Epic Odyssey or LevRG. Since you have been using these balls since the test balls in the summer I'm sure you are impressed, but on the other side you haven't thrown other companies balls either that are close to this one. The ball has sparked my interest and I'd love to attend the seminars for the great deals, I just don't have the time. I'm a big believer in coverstock matchup being the slight majority of reaction, and core numbers(not shape), and finally layout being the other significant factor to make the overall percentage of ball reaction. I'm not downing your product, as I'm sure alot of R&D has went into it, I guess I just have to wait and throw it for myself before I speak on it further.
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-DJ Marshall
...The Twelve In a Row Pro Shop

tenpinspro · « **Reply #94 on:** October 30, 2007, 06:28:38 PM »

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Since you have been using these balls since the test balls in the summer I'm sure you are impressed, but on the other side you haven't thrown other companies balls either that are close to this one.

You sure about that? Carl and I have received so many balls to test...it's not funny. This is how I taught Carl to get into the business....we test from worldwide to ensure our reactions.....TRACK is back!

yes. we market.....doesn't everybody? If they don't.....they're behind. But we stand behind what we state and will live by it....
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Edited on 10/30/2007 11:30 PM

C-G ProShop-Carl · « **Reply #95 on:** October 30, 2007, 11:14:49 PM »

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Normally I'd agree with you too, but since you are a Track staffer and have been for a long time, as a trained eye, I'm not sure what much more I can see out of this ball over an Epic Odyssey or LevRG.

Funny you should mention these 2 balls, I own both of them and have tested them side by side with the Rising.

The Odyssey and the LevRG are both good bowling balls, other companies "oilers" so to speak. The rising is our oiler. The Rising hangs with both of these very well when it comes to oil handling ability. They are all very close.................the one thing to remember is that the Rising is at 4000abralon. It hooks right along with the Odyessey (2000 abralon) and the LevRG (1000grit). So there is a big difference in the surface prep on all of these balls. I cannot honestly imagine the strength of the Rising if I were to take it to 1000.

-Carl
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Carl Hurd
C-G Pro Shop (owner/operator)
with locations in:
Youngstown Ohio (West Side Lanes)
and
Boardman Ohio (Camelot Lanes)

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C-G ProShop-Carl · « **Reply #96 on:** October 31, 2007, 12:06:27 AM »

quote:
If I ever thought I might try this ball, all of this talk about the drillings, wrong drillings, secret drillings, and etc. has scared me away from considering this ball. If it is that difficult to drill right for a person, then I will never be interested in it because I have enough of a problem with wrong drillings on a normal ball, let alone something complicated like the Rising.

AND this is the reason that we are suggesting people to drill the ball with the suggested layout because it is simple and it gives the best overall ball motion.

Myself, Scoot and a friend of ours shot some vids tonight, I am hoping he is able to get them online for all to view.

-Carl
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Carl Hurd
C-G Pro Shop (owner/operator)
with locations in:
Youngstown Ohio (West Side Lanes)
and
Boardman Ohio (Camelot Lanes)

Track Intl- Tech Support
The Legion Lives @ www.trackbowling.com

Tag Team Member #1

TAG TEAM COACHING!!!!!!/Co-Founder

DP3 · « **Reply #97 on:** October 31, 2007, 12:23:37 AM »

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quote:
Normally I'd agree with you too, but since you are a Track staffer and have been for a long time, as a trained eye, I'm not sure what much more I can see out of this ball over an Epic Odyssey or LevRG.

Funny you should mention these 2 balls, I own both of them and have tested them side by side with the Rising.

The Odyssey and the LevRG are both good bowling balls, other companies "oilers" so to speak. The rising is our oiler. The Rising hangs with both of these very well when it comes to oil handling ability. They are all very close.................the one thing to remember is that the Rising is at 4000abralon. It hooks right along with the Odyessey (2000 abralon) and the LevRG (1000grit). So there is a big difference in the surface prep on all of these balls. I cannot honestly imagine the strength of the Rising if I were to take it to 1000.

-Carl

Thanks for the fair and honest comparison.
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-DJ Marshall
...The Twelve In a Row Pro Shop

ambi1 · « **Reply #98 on:** October 31, 2007, 01:37:21 AM »

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This is why I said past .035. .035 is the buffer area on the understanding reaction. Heck if they understood the reaction on the strength I remember hearing fromd Del that with the Robo Core from the machine line, that he was able to push its MB rating up close to around .048 or something. If it was all about having the strongest MB rating he could have done it. Like I said up past .040 things start to look goofy.
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Tag Team Coaching Success Story.

Hm.. would this be similar to putting mercury in the ball. Knew someone who put that in his ball. (days of Urethane and wooden lanes) ball was wobbling like crazy... LOL!!!
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tenpinspro · « **Reply #99 on:** October 31, 2007, 02:17:25 AM »

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Hm.. would this be similar to putting mercury in the ball. Knew someone who put that in his ball. (days of Urethane and wooden lanes) ball was wobbling like crazy... LOL!!!-------------------

Very good ambi....now you guys are getting the big picture.
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dp3, I also like the Odyssey (nice piece as well) but I only drilled one LevRG and didn't get to see it.

Everyone is now asking us what is better? Cadillac, Lincoln, Acura or Lexus. I don't know....

Tag Team has "never" diverted from the truth and we "never" will but when we say a piece is "nice"....it is. We're still bowlers at heart...thank you guys.
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RealBowler · « **Reply #100 on:** October 31, 2007, 07:56:45 AM »

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It was stated to the pro shops during the trade shows that the shops that sign up for one of our packages would get access to the pro shop side of the site. This was Paul's idea to give the shops that belong to the Legion an edge.

-Carl
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Carl Hurd
C-G Pro Shop (owner/operator)
with locations in:
Youngstown Ohio (West Side Lanes)
and
Boardman Ohio (Camelot Lanes)

Track Intl- Tech Support
The Legion Lives @ www.trackbowling.com

Tag Team Member #1

TAG TEAM COACHING!!!!!!/Co-Founder

Chalk up another one for the genius that is the Fig!

Ebonite may want to rethink that decision. Wasn't it Fig that lead to AMF not renewing their PBA registration because "winning tournaments and making shows doesn't sell balls"? AMF made and won many shows with the TNT and Velocity series balls and failed to capitalize on that success.......brilliant!

My take on this whole Rising thing is that its been a whole lot of hype, confusion, and whole lot of disappointment!

All you guys did was come here and talk about how it was going to revolutionize bowling. The release was going to be delayed because the ball had to be manufactured to some super strict specifications and "we're going to make sure it is perfect before we release it....be patient....this ball is SOOOO different and will be SOOOO great. Track is going to turn the bowling world on it's edge!"

All this crap and then they release the drilling sheet in DOC format? Too difficult to convert to a standard HTML page or even PDF?

Of the 3 releases, the Rising is the least attractive to me. Kinetic and Temper look great.
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RealBowler · « **Reply #101 on:** October 31, 2007, 08:02:49 AM »

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quote:
Normally I'd agree with you too, but since you are a Track staffer and have been for a long time, as a trained eye, I'm not sure what much more I can see out of this ball over an Epic Odyssey or LevRG.

Funny you should mention these 2 balls, I own both of them and have tested them side by side with the Rising.

The Odyssey and the LevRG are both good bowling balls, other companies "oilers" so to speak. The rising is our oiler. The Rising hangs with both of these very well when it comes to oil handling ability. They are all very close.................the one thing to remember is that the Rising is at 4000abralon. It hooks right along with the Odyessey (2000 abralon) and the LevRG (1000grit). So there is a big difference in the surface prep on all of these balls. I cannot honestly imagine the strength of the Rising if I were to take it to 1000.

-Carl
--------------------
Carl Hurd
C-G Pro Shop (owner/operator)
with locations in:
Youngstown Ohio (West Side Lanes)
and
Boardman Ohio (Camelot Lanes)

Track Intl- Tech Support
The Legion Lives @ www.trackbowling.com

Tag Team Member #1

TAG TEAM COACHING!!!!!!/Co-Founder

Not a big fan of these "oilers" coming at 4000 grit. If I need to tame it down a little, what are my options? Realistically, putting it at something like 1000-2000 gives everybody more options. Need more surface? No problems, take it to 600-800. Need more length? No problems, take it up to 2000, 2500, or 4000.

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Haywood

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RealBowler · « **Reply #102 on:** October 31, 2007, 08:09:17 AM »

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The fact is most shops (MOST), dont even take into account the customers PAP when they layout a ball or use a drill sheet layout. The layout given on the drill sheet will work for 95% of the bowlers out there. The slight move left for those with lower tracks or a val/pap that is under the 4" mark or the move right for those further then 5" will make the suggested layout work for them. If your bowler rolls the ball more but is in the 95% area just add some polish. Most bowlers (MOST) dont keep a ball consistantly at box anyway. They let the ball get dirty or polish it.

Nobody said the customer had to buy a package. The shop should by a package deal, because it is in fact a deal. You get three balls none that should sell fo under $130, for only $240. I mean that is the one package and that is a deal. I dear you to find a better one out there where each ball could really sell under the high price point.
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C-G Pro Shop
Offical "Spokesman"
Youngstown, Ohio

Finishing THS book ave: 200
Finishing PBA Experence ave: 176
Finishing Composit ave: 194

Track HITMAN.

Tag Team Coaching Success Story.

Wow, did you even read what you wrote?

First you say that MOST shops don't drill using a bowler's PAP. Then you say to move it right if the PAP is less than 4" or move it right if the PAP is more than 5".

If the shop doesn't use the PAP to begin with, how are they going to know to shift it left or right?

You seem to be suggesting that 95% of bowlers have a PAP between 4 and 5". I'm far from a good bowler, but I consider myself "average" and my PAP is outside of that range.
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Haywood

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signature. This is enough.
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DP3 · « **Reply #103 on:** October 31, 2007, 10:31:00 AM »

quote:
quote:
Hm.. would this be similar to putting mercury in the ball. Knew someone who put that in his ball. (days of Urethane and wooden lanes) ball was wobbling like crazy... LOL!!!-------------------

Very good ambi....now you guys are getting the big picture.
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dp3, I also like the Odyssey (nice piece as well) but I only drilled one LevRG and didn't get to see it.

Everyone is now asking us what is better? Cadillac, Lincoln, Acura or Lexus. I don't know....

"You know, it's like someone saying Licoln is better than a Cadillac.....FUHGETABOUTIT"

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-DJ Marshall
...The Twelve In a Row Pro Shop
Hyattsville, MD

pba6285 · « **Reply #104 on:** October 31, 2007, 10:39:10 AM »

A couple of Items.

I attended the seminar in Marietta GA Yesterday. The seminar was fairly informative. I have no problem with a company locking their vault so to say. If you opt not to be a member of their "club" etc then why should you get the same benefit as a member.

However, when I threw the ball I took 4 shots and put it away. If I want an agressive ball to point off the corner, I'll pick up my Vibe. I wish I had brought a ball of my own to compare it to, but this thing didn't impress me. The balls I got from the seminar will be out on the shelf and will probably sit there for a while.

Rick Oelkers
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Edited on 10/31/2007 10:40 AM

jls · « **Reply #105 on:** October 31, 2007, 10:41:20 AM »

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If I ever thought I might try this ball, all of this talk about the drillings, wrong drillings, secret drillings, and etc. has scared me away from considering this ball. If it is that difficult to drill right for a person, then I will never be interested in it because I have enough of a problem with wrong drillings on a normal ball, let alone something complicated like the Rising.

completely the opposite.

it is not diffulcult to drill, actually very easy. once one gets past all the hype!!!! just drill it according to the drill sheet, especially if you have one with a shorter pin, or if you have one with a longer pin and low top weight.

if not, then use either of the two drillings on their web site.

the ball is a monster, put all the B.S. hype aisde. and drill one up.

you won't be sorry!!!!!

on longer pins, we have use a pin above the finger layout, mb 45 degrees.
or a 4" to the pap, with the mb at 45 degrees.

both hook and give new meaning to the term "backend"

so far we have not done the pin under the fingers layout on a long pin, due to the top weight being too high.

the ball is a monster.

and so far, they have all been left with the box finish>> 4000 pad.
this morning i will be drilling one for a customer and adjusting the cover down to 1000.

this guy has speed.

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jls, proud watcher of womens golf

Edited on 10/31/2007 10:45 AM

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