Author Topic: Tired of rumors? HERE IS YOUR TRACK LEGION Q&A section! (Read 18321 times)

C-G ProShop-Carl · « **on:** July 09, 2007, 07:02:47 AM »

Guys/Gals I know you have heard many statements about the new Track Equipment. I have read ALOT of them throughout this entire website. If you have specific Questions please post them here. Myself or Rick will answer your questions as best we can. Both of us have had alot of exposure to the new equipment and what they do on the lanes......for every style of bowler. We will be able to answer any question you have.

Thanks,
Carl
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Edited on 7/9/2007 3:03 PM

Pinhammer · « **Reply #31 on:** July 14, 2007, 10:19:00 AM »

Hey Carl, YOU remember your specs........LOL
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C-G ProShop-Carl · « **Reply #32 on:** July 14, 2007, 11:54:06 PM »

Roger,

Ya gotta get it right!!! I remembered my specs, but did not remember the pitches for the switchgrip.....I have changed pitches so much that I do not remember what outter sleeve took....but yes, I remember now

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tenpinspro · « **Reply #33 on:** July 16, 2007, 05:24:08 AM »

quote:
I do not remember what outter sleeve took....but yes, I remember now

I must be rubbing off on the kid....

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jimpagemmohcom · « **Reply #34 on:** July 16, 2007, 11:21:53 AM »

quote:
Guys/Gals I know you have heard many statements about the new Track Equipment. I have read ALOT of them throughout this entire website. If you have specific Questions please post them here. Myself or Rick will answer your questions as best we can. Both of us have had alot of exposure to the new equipment and what they do on the lanes......for every style of bowler. We will be able to answer any question you have.

Thanks,
Carl
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with locations in:
Youngstown Ohio (West Side Lanes)
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Edited on 7/9/2007 3:03 PM

Carl,
I am a long time Track user from the begining, own nothing else! and was wondering what Ebonite is doing with the multi-density cores that made track what it was. Also who is making the compounds and how do the relate to what Track did with them throughout?
I have been purchasing Tracks on Ebay before you can't get them and got the Equation 2 already for this years league and tourney's and am really skeptical about Ebonite having anything to do with making Track balls.
Any advise?

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jimpagemmohcom · « **Reply #35 on:** July 16, 2007, 11:22:15 AM »

quote:
Guys/Gals I know you have heard many statements about the new Track Equipment. I have read ALOT of them throughout this entire website. If you have specific Questions please post them here. Myself or Rick will answer your questions as best we can. Both of us have had alot of exposure to the new equipment and what they do on the lanes......for every style of bowler. We will be able to answer any question you have.

Thanks,
Carl
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Carl Hurd
C-G Pro Shop (owner/operator)
with locations in:
Youngstown Ohio (West Side Lanes)
and
Boardman Ohio (Camelot Lanes)

Track Tech Support
www.trackbowling.com

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Edited on 7/9/2007 3:03 PM

Rock77 · « **Reply #36 on:** July 16, 2007, 11:43:23 AM »

Maybe this question is a bit vague, but I want to know how the new Track stuff performs compared to the old stuff (before the buyout).

Til this point in time, the Machine series is my favorite line of balls from any company ever made. I actually have a NIB Power Machine on the way due to the low pricing I've been able to find. With that said, even the mid price stuff was great. The Solutions, Heats etc...all were fantastic. In fact, Track's symmetrical stuff has been the only symmetrical stuff that really works well for me. For whatever reason, I have better luck with asymmetrical cores.

So, enough with the babbling on. How's the new stuff compared to the old stuff?
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C-G ProShop-Carl · « **Reply #37 on:** July 17, 2007, 11:41:50 PM »

quote:
I am a long time Track user from the begining, own nothing else! and was wondering what Ebonite is doing with the multi-density cores that made track what it was. Also who is making the compounds and how do the relate to what Track did with them throughout?
I have been purchasing Tracks on Ebay before you can't get them and got the Equation 2 already for this years league and tourney's and am really skeptical about Ebonite having anything to do with making Track balls.
Any advise?

Ebonite essentially makes their own coverstocks, and they are second to none in the industry. Just look at the popularity of their equipment(and hammer's) over the past couple of years). Most of that is due to the coverstocks. As for the multiple density cores vs single density......(this was going to be my hang up for Ebonite, I really liked the old cores): The single density is just as good if not better for a few reasons.

In speaking with an EXTREMELY reliable source that held a high position with C300 in the past the multiple pieces were unreliable. They were known to shift during production and it could very well have gone undetected. Quality Control was a huge issue.

As soon as Ebonite acquired C300 I began testing different Ebonite/Hammer Equipment so that I could see if there was a difference between the single density and the multi, and there wasn't. The Ebonite Equipment performed beautifully. I saw no difference in the way the single density and the multi hit the pins and the carry was equal.

Lastly, and probably the most important difference is that Ebonite has STRONG and STABLE leadership that have a vision and work daily to achieve it. Columbia 300 was LOST for a very long time. They had alot of issues and no one really worked to correct them.

My suggestion to you is to buy a Kinetic or a Rising. Allow the equipment to show you what they can do. I have both of them and they are tremendous. Each one has a purpose and they serve that purpose well.

-Carl
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Youngstown Ohio (West Side Lanes)
and
Boardman Ohio (Camelot Lanes)

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C-G ProShop-Carl · « **Reply #38 on:** July 17, 2007, 11:56:40 PM »

quote:
Maybe this question is a bit vague, but I want to know how the new Track stuff performs compared to the old stuff (before the buyout).

Til this point in time, the Machine series is my favorite line of balls from any company ever made. I actually have a NIB Power Machine on the way due to the low pricing I've been able to find. With that said, even the mid price stuff was great. The Solutions, Heats etc...all were fantastic. In fact, Track's symmetrical stuff has been the only symmetrical stuff that really works well for me. For whatever reason, I have better luck with asymmetrical cores.

So, enough with the babbling on. How's the new stuff compared to the old stuff?

Rock,

The new equipment is SWEET! I get in trouble sometimes because I cannot get myself to put it down. Everyone in the LEGION knows how much I loved the Power Machine.....the Kinetic is that ball only stronger! The cool thing about it is that the Kinetic is at a lower price point than the Power was. The Temper is basically the Phoenix....only it is a tad stronger in the backend with the same type of read in the midlane. The Rising is a different type of ball altogether. To have a weightblock weigh as much as the Rising's is sweet and it is definately visible at the pindeck. It seems to carry from any angle.

The new equipment compares favorably with the old stuff. The advantage that Track has gained with the acquisition is that the coverstocks available to be put on any given ball is seemingly limitless. On top of having so many to choose from the coverstocks are also much much stronger. The R&D team at Ebonite has done tremendous work developing these coverstocks and they are leaving the competition in the dust.

Ryan, try one of the new balls. I would suggest either the Kinetic or the Rising......but they do compmliment eachother very well so you may want both.

-Carl

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Youngstown Ohio (West Side Lanes)
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Rock77 · « **Reply #39 on:** July 18, 2007, 06:52:45 AM »

quote:
Ryan, try one of the new balls. I would suggest either the Kinetic or the Rising......but they do compmliment eachother very well so you may want both.

-Carl

Just curious how they complement each other. I thought the reaction type on both of them was skid/flip. Are they each designed for different amounts of oil??
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tenpinspro · « **Reply #40 on:** July 18, 2007, 07:25:12 AM »

quote:
Just curious how they complement each other. I thought the reaction type on both of them was skid/flip.

How do they compliment each other?..Very well The Rising isn't really skid/flip, it's probably defined better as strong arc. Typically we can't get skid/flip for any heavier oil ball due to the surface required on the ball to "handle" heavy oil. Our Delta 1 was one of the flippier pieces I've seen for med/heavy in my career.

quote:
Are they each designed for different amounts of oil??

Yes Ryan, the Rising is designed for med/heavy to heavy and our Kinetic is designed for med to med heavy. However, with our strongest mb produced to date on the Rising (.031), we can control and dictate reaction shape to what we want but surface will still not let us get to skid/flip unless we fine it and polish it perhaps.

Remember how I stopped you from Clint's advice on the layout for the Machine (which I believe you shot 300 with) because that had a mb diff of .025? (can't remember anymore...sad)...anyway, the stronger the mb, the more we can control a ball's reaction shape.

I'm really getting impressed with the Kinetic (sold 2 already and they're not even here yet). Just haven't had any time to bowl but this ball has a very strong but controllable backend reaction for me on the wet/drys....great job Ron and Randy!
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Rock77 · « **Reply #41 on:** July 18, 2007, 09:17:21 AM »

You know, I have to apologize for asking that question. I read Carl's response too quickly and thought he was saying that the Kinetic and the Temper would complement each other. The Rising is a totally different story. I can see how those balls would work well as a 1-2 punch.

Rick, thanks for the clarification though. And yes, I did shoot 300 with the Machine, actually, I shot 2 with it!!

Well, if the new stuff is anywhere near as good as the old stuff, I think it's safe to say that I'll like the new stuff very much.
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tenpinspro · « **Reply #42 on:** July 19, 2007, 08:36:54 AM »

quote:
You know, I have to apologize for asking that question. I read Carl's response too quickly and thought he was saying that the Kinetic and the Temper would complement each other. The Rising is a totally different story. I can see how those balls would work well as a 1-2 punch.

Rick, thanks for the clarification though. And yes, I did shoot 300 with the Machine, actually, I shot 2 with it!!

Well, if the new stuff is anywhere near as good as the old stuff, I think it's safe to say that I'll like the new stuff very much.

No apologies necessary, not here in the Track forum. The Kinetic (being stronger and skid/flip) and Temper (a little weaker and smoother) also compliment each other well. Not only do they posses different reaction shapes, they handle different amounts of oil. As Carl stated, our Temper is basically a Phoenix with a minor adjustment in the core. Anybody ever really interested in the Phoenix, get our Temper when it comes out and you'll have it.

I would like to publicly comment on the fact that Ebonite has lived up to their word on where the Phoenix fell compared to modern day equipment. It did not meet standards as a high performance piece (and Ebonite did not feel it was ethical to charge high performance price when the ball did not perform to that price point) so Ebonite remade it and placed it in our "mid" performance line. They have "never" diverted from this assessment and they lived up to their word about this. KUDOS to you Ebonite!

What more can we ask for from a "business" these days guys/gals, truth and ethics.....they really are an extraordinary company.
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williewc · « **Reply #43 on:** July 19, 2007, 09:08:39 AM »

i just hope the coverstocks they put on the track balls last longer than the ones they put on the ebonite balls, i have people i bowl with that clean their equipment religiously and their ebonite balls still die after 50-100 games on them

and im not talking about just a little death, im talking from going gutter to gutter to straight up the 10 board and barely making it to the pocket

thats one thing i liked about Tracks equipment, i have the Threat, have had it for 4 years or more and it still reacts the same as when i got it, every track ball i have reacts the same as when i bought it new
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C-G ProShop-Carl · « **Reply #44 on:** July 20, 2007, 12:58:33 PM »

quote:
i just hope the coverstocks they put on the track balls last longer than the ones they put on the ebonite balls, i have people i bowl with that clean their equipment religiously and their ebonite balls still die after 50-100 games on them

and im not talking about just a little death, im talking from going gutter to gutter to straight up the 10 board and barely making it to the pocket

thats one thing i liked about Tracks equipment, i have the Threat, have had it for 4 years or more and it still reacts the same as when i got it, every track ball i have reacts the same as when i bought it new

willie,

This is where Rick and I need to do our jobs. We have to push for maintenance on coverstocks. As a bowler I clean my equipment after every set. I deep clean to assure that the cover does not take in too much oil and have it stay there. Clean n Dull with the proper grit scotchbrite works wonders. I have 2 TNVs and each one has over 150 games now and I have not seen a loss in reaction.

I have quite a few games on my Rising and my Kinetic and I have not seen a loss in reaction at all. Just keep them clean. To be honest I do not know if the spray cleaners deep clean enough. If you are unable to deep clean your equipment at the bowling center use Power Wash at the center then deep clean again with Clean n Dull(and proper scotchbrite) when you get home to assure a clean coverstock.

-Carl

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Youngstown Ohio (West Side Lanes)
and
Boardman Ohio (Camelot Lanes)

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Brunner · « **Reply #45 on:** July 20, 2007, 01:05:15 PM »

What is the proper scotchbrite to use?
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