Author Topic: Why Do I Hate the X-Ception 5.0 and Hex-Plosion? (Read 1689 times)

SteveAustin2808 · « **on:** September 28, 2005, 04:44:16 PM »

FASTTrackers,

I was trying to give these two bowling balls a chance in practice today to see if I could find some light and use for them; however, in the end, I came to the conclusion that I have never left so many buckets and had so much over/under reaction in my life. Sometimes they would give the best back end reaction; on the other hand, I have never seen two bowling balls blow so much energy in the heads just to sputter out on the back end. Any reason for this and as to why I hate particle-pearl's so much? Is it my style? Let me know what you think my fellow FASTTrackers! This just has me puzzled!

--Michael--
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Edited on 9/29/2005 0:54 AM

shelley · « **Reply #1 on:** September 29, 2005, 12:49:51 AM »

Is the Hexplosion pearlized? I thought it was a solid particle. Maybe the shine was the cause of the over/under problem.

SH

The great one · « **Reply #2 on:** September 29, 2005, 02:31:36 AM »

how's the layout on your 5.0? I have one close to 4x4, pin over ring finger, cg under the finger, small hole. that thing backends like nothing i've ever seen before. Most backend i ever had was a freak out, pin over the middle finger, and an xception, pin over bridge. Mass Bias balls i've drilled with the pin under the fingers have rolled HORRIBLE for me, the same reaction you're getting out of them right now. I had a hexplosion i hated also, pin in the bridge, cg swung a tad, got rid of it as i didnt like the roll. Bowling in tons drier houses this year, so i picked up another nib. Drilled it like 2x2, pin on the axis cg in towards the thumb (pics of all my stuff comming by the way, vids very possible) and it rolls AMAZING! All i can say is neither hexplosion i've seen or thrown have had a whole lot of backend. All the 5.0's i've seen thrown by anyone with revs backends a ton, in fact most people have lightly scuffed them to try and tame the backend. Just keep both shiny, though i would think the layouts probably have alot to do with the reaction.

charlest · « **Reply #3 on:** September 29, 2005, 05:23:32 AM »

Michael,

Could it be that they are not drilled properly for you?
Or maybe you're not using them on the right lane condition?
Or you're playing the wrong line with these balls?

Without more details, I don't know of anyone who can help.
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clintdaley · « **Reply #4 on:** September 29, 2005, 07:25:22 AM »

Pin under fingers works well for me, but you have to realize something. People who track high can use pin above the fingers more effectively, as it gets the bowtie away from the fingers and gives us more backend. Vice versa is true as well as people who track low can create their own backend, but need the ball to roll for them better. A pin under the fingers helps the core stand up quicker and thus roll quicker, which is a good match. If you track low and have a pin way above the fingers, the ball will go skid-skid and it will not match up well. It may have to do with the drilling, but it also might just be the condition.

By the way, don't get me wrong, pin to PAP is VERY important, just the positon of the pin (above/below fingers) is important to me when I am laying out a ball as well for a customer.

Clint
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tenpinspro · « **Reply #5 on:** September 29, 2005, 11:14:20 AM »

Hey Michael,

The 5.0 is a little skid/flippy by nature so using this ball on an O/U shot will amplify that. I stated in my review that I had much better success when the lanes dried up some down to a truer med condition cause then it could clear the heads cleanly and backend pretty strong. On the drier shot, it was more controlled vs a fresh shot where it tended to back off the heavier puddles that we see. Excaliber and I both pretty much saw the same thing....the ball reaction was much better on med conditions.
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Brickguy221 · « **Reply #6 on:** September 29, 2005, 11:43:21 AM »

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Could it be that they are not drilled properly for you?

Michael, this comment is from Charlest and he may be exactly right. For example, I disliked my 5.0 from the first time I threw it. After discussing it with tenpinspro and KOTM, it has been determined that the drilling is exactly what may be wrong with my 5.0 also. Meanwhile, I sanded it to 4000 Grit with an Abrolon Pad and although I am still not entirely happy with the ball yet, it made a big difference and helped it a lot. I am going to try one more thing and if that doesn't put the ball where I want it, I will reluctantly have to redrill it.

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SteveAustin2808 · « **Reply #7 on:** September 29, 2005, 12:54:28 PM »

FASTTrackers,

My first 5.0 was drilled Pin Below the Bridge, MB at 5 o'clock, which is a strong MB position for me. Disliked this one horribly and the first thing I got to thinking was of the layout. Sold it to a buddy of mine and he is killing the lanes with it. I decided to give another one a chance by having it drilled differently, we decided on having it drilled 3 3/8 Stacked Leverage. My original Rule and original X-Ception are both drilled like this and I absolutely love the reaction I get with these two. So it only seemed fit to go with that one. Again, just seemed to do the same thing. So, I had it scuffed to remove the polish to see if I could get something to work, but to no avail, I had no success. If I understood correctly what you said Rick, you are telling me that both of these balls especially the 5.0 are condition specific. I would have to agree with you and I haven't been able to find a true medium condition to test it out on. I'll try and get it another shot today when I go practice. Thanks for the comments guys and I'll let ya know how things go. God Bless you all!

--Michael--
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C-G ProShop-Carl · « **Reply #8 on:** September 29, 2005, 10:20:08 PM »

Michael,

Try adjusting the surface on the 5.0. There has been word that some seem to come a bit more shiney than others......so knock some of the polish off and see if that helps with the O/U.

Let us know!
-Carl
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SteveAustin2808 · « **Reply #9 on:** September 29, 2005, 11:46:06 PM »

Hey FASTTrackers,

In my final conclusion, after surface altering, I just gave the blasted thing away tonight to a youth bowler and he made the ball look more promising than I ever would, so that makes me feel good. I'm sorry guys but I just couldn't make the ball work. I just know that from here on out, I will never get a particle pearl coverstock type bowling ball ever again, it just does not compliment my style. Anyways, thanks for all the help guys. Sorry I couldn't make anything work with the ball!

--Michael--
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charlest · « **Reply #10 on:** September 30, 2005, 09:31:00 AM »

Michael,

Sorry it came down to giving the ball away.
With all the drill and cover changes you made, was the problem still an over/under reaction on all oil patterns?

You really shouldn't say "never again" for any type of ball. Untill you know the true cause for the problem. I know you currently feel exasperated and annoyed at the expense of ball that didn't work. We've all been there; so we can empathize.

Particle pearls are a valid and good segment of resin bowling balls. Some have asymmetric cores, some have symmetric ones. Some have polished covers; some have sanded covers. They cover a very wide range of possibilities. Of course, there are so many balls out there right now, that you could never use one again and still bowl great.

May I suggest that you don't worry about what construction a ball is in the future? When you need a new ball for a condition, do what many and I also suggest: you buy a ball reaction; you never buy a ball. You see what balls perform on the desired oil pattern and you see which balls be drilled for your delivery and release.

If your ball choice should be an asymmetric, make sure your driller knows you and that ball & core to drill it properly for you. There are very few balls that can't be made to work for almost anyone.

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Ramtart · « **Reply #11 on:** September 30, 2005, 09:34:50 AM »

Mike, sorry to hear about that too.

Charlest makes a great point...

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May I suggest that you don't worry about what construction a ball is in the future? When you need a new ball for a condition, do what many and I also suggest: you buy a ball reaction; you never buy a ball. You see what balls perform on the desired oil pattern and you see which balls be drilled for your delivery and release.

If your ball choice should be an asymmetric, make sure your driller knows you and that ball & core to drill it properly for you. There are very few balls that can't be made to work for almost anyone.

I myself was thinking too much about the construction/make-up of a ball that I overlooked what type of "look," (thanks Excaliber) I wanted with the balls to fit my gaps in my arsenal.

Keep grindin' Mike!
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charlest · « **Reply #12 on:** September 30, 2005, 10:21:49 AM »

Rant On:

All that BS about I gotta have a low Rg ball, a high Rg core can do this for me, I gotta have particles, I gotta have pearls, I gotta have a solid dull ball is just that, BS.

1. You can't isolate a cover from its core, nor a core from it's cover. Not ever. It's a tighly coupled interrelationship.
2. None of us are physicists with all the advanced degrees necessary for core inertia combined with resin/polyurethane interface friction in physical chemistry knowledge bases.
3. You can only throw the ball.
4. (My theory): Take the brand and the model lables off all balls and we'd have 6 or 9 balls that everyone could use, covering a range of every oil pattern.

Rant Off.
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Edited on 9/30/2005 3:17 PM

Djarum · « **Reply #13 on:** September 30, 2005, 02:00:51 PM »

quote:
Rant On:

All that BS about I gotta have a low Rg ball, a high Rg core can do this for me, I gotta have particles, I gotta have pearls, I gotta have a solid dull ball is just that, BS.

1. You can't isolate a cover from its core, nor a core from it's cover. Not ever. It's a tighly coupled interrelationship.
2. None of us are physicists with all the advanced degrees necessary for core inertia combined with resin/polyurethane interface friction in physical chemistry knowledge bases.
3. You can only throw the ball.
4. (My theory): Take the brand and the model lables off all balls and we'd have 6 or 9 balls that everyone could use, covering a range of every oil pattern.

Rant Off.
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Bowling: Just like hand grenades and horse shoes, you only have to get close.
Life: Deal with what is.

I agree with this. I think every ball company makes a similar ball to another ball company.

I also agree with the core/cover thing. Normally I like pearl balls, they usually go long enough and have a lot of backend. So I bought a crash. This ball really revs up to early for me on the winter condition at my house. But during the summer, I can move in and it is a champ for me.

Dj

Author Topic: Why Do I Hate the X-Ception 5.0 and Hex-Plosion? (Read 1689 times)

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