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Goof1073

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Track Coverstocks...
« on: February 10, 2005, 11:44:16 PM »
I was wondering if anyone else has seen issues with the newer track coverstocks (Rule, Animal, Phenoms) not holding up?  In our area our customers are complaining about their balls reactions not holding up.  Our house has been changing oils and amounts a few different times this year, but even some of our better bowlers are having issues with their reactions going away as compared to their other equipment.  We've tried to educate these people about the change in conditions and the natural progression a ball goes through, but this seems like something more.  We have tried to refresh the surface for some of these customers, but the reaction gained is small in their eyes and in general they aren't fully pleased with what they see.  

Now I think Track puts out some great stuff and sometimes feel that some bowlers don't like to adapt to the conditions, but this seems different for some reason.

Any ideas / thoughts??

Am I way off base here or is there something different with these coverstocks?

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Re: Track Coverstocks...
« Reply #1 on: February 11, 2005, 08:15:11 AM »
I have a Phenom and Unleashed I have used all year and I have not seen any loss of reaction or cover problems. I clean them regularly and bring them in out of the cold as well, which could lead to problems too.

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Re: Track Coverstocks...
« Reply #2 on: February 11, 2005, 08:18:25 AM »
I personally don't care for Track/Columbia particle covers because I think they are the worst at losing their reaction, in terms of how much and how fast, but I have a Rule that has about 60 games on it, and haven't seen any loss of reaction with it as yet.  I also have an Animal, but didn't really like it enough to put enough games on it to get an idea of whether or not it lost reaction.

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Re: Track Coverstocks...
« Reply #3 on: February 11, 2005, 09:25:57 AM »
Goof,

Could there be 2 factors at work here?

1. Most coverstocks, not just Track's, suffer reduced performance over time. Your customers may be experiencing this. Your re-adjusting their balls may bring them back close to stock performance, then step #2 happens ..

2. Your/their house adds extra oil that night/week/month, and your customers don't see this immediately. Then they take their newly re-adjusted ball to these lanes and it hooks less because there's more oil, not because it has lost performance (which you've mostly just restored).

This scenario just occurred to me and it could be one possible reason.


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Goof1073

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Re: Track Coverstocks...
« Reply #4 on: February 11, 2005, 10:39:25 AM »
Charlest...  That's basically what I think did happen, but there isn't a way to convince our customers of this.  The hardest person I've had to convince has been our center's assistant manager.  He shot 854 out of the box with the one I drilled for him and ti only took about 3 weeks after this to complain.  I still believe the pair he was on that night had nice clean backends.  He is super fast with his speed so when things change he does get into trouble.

Like I said...I'm not convinced it is the equipment, but when I have customers coming in and telling me their balls are dying out and their other equipment is still working:  What else am I supposed to think / do?
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Re: Track Coverstocks...
« Reply #5 on: February 11, 2005, 11:02:35 AM »
The best ball I have ever thrown, pure performance, was the Freak Out.  It's not even close.  I had two.  After 80 games, one hit with less authority than my spare ball.  The other ball lasted about 95 games.  Hook Again, warm water, voodoo incantations, sacrifices to the bowling gods...nothing brought them even part way back.  I have had similar problems with Holoflex coverstocks, in that they become less consistent and can't be brought back to anywhere near box...
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Re: Track Coverstocks...
« Reply #6 on: February 11, 2005, 11:10:37 AM »
I have owned nothing but track for 2 yrs now and
i have seen no change in my balls reaction. I have
a Threat that has roughly 150 games on it and it
still works great. You just have to take care
of them like you do for your kids. TLC is the
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Re: Track Coverstocks...
« Reply #7 on: February 11, 2005, 11:59:22 AM »
I have a Phenom with well over 400 games, and it still hooks great!  At about the 300-game mark, I did the Ebonite Hook-Again treatment and a resurface, and the ball still hooks and carries very well.  Sure there's a loss in performance compared to out of the box, but it's expected, and the performance loss is very minimal.  

I did leave a 7-10 with it recently while shooting on a sport shot, but c'mon now, the shot was hard and the oil was pretty heavy...that doesn't mean the ball isn't working anymore.  Chris Barnes and Mike Devaney left 7-10's on TV and their pin carry wasn't awesome; that doesn't mean the Inferno and Big Bully are bad balls whose coverstocks don't hold up - the condition was maybe just tougher and/or heavier.

I also have a Rule with over 100 games and an Animal with over 70 games, and these balls still react awesome!  The balls obviously don't hook as much as the day I first tried them, but that's expected.  On the same sport shot as I left the 7-10 with my Phenom, my Animal wasn't picking up its roll as hard and pin-action wasn't the greatest.  At another house on a heavy-oil THS, the Animal just murders the pins.  Some balls just match up better to different lanes and oil patterns.  

These are just my experiences and thoughts; not balls are made 100% equal, so there may be some discrepancies, but I don't believe that balls lose reaction THAT fast.
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Re: Track Coverstocks...
« Reply #8 on: February 11, 2005, 11:59:28 AM »
Goof1073: I've owned two Track balls now (Animal and Rule). I've probably put about 80 games on my Rule since I bought it from you guys in December (between league bowling and tournaments). It reacts just as strongly as it did when I first got the ball- and you know that I bowl on a variety of conditions throughout New England. My Animal helped me this past weekend in the Northeastern tournament. I think if your customers are faithful in their cleaning and understanding of the house adjusting their oil machine (Shawn explained to me the troubles with their machine and all the mechanics who came out to correct the problem) then they will realize that you will see some natural diminishment as you get more games on a ball...

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Re: Track Coverstocks...
« Reply #9 on: February 11, 2005, 12:30:16 PM »
Goof,

More than anything you may be dealing with bowlers that know the shot is heavy....BUT do they move their feet/target? So many bowlers seem to get locked in to one part of the lane, and get locked into staying in one spot with their feet.

I have had each of the balls you listed, I did not see a loss in performance, but I keep my stuff clean. I stress cleaning to every bowler that buys a ball from my shop. If they do not keep it clean...and NO, rubbing alcohol is not going to do the job good enough...then if the ball loses reaction that is their fault.

The only ball that I have thrown in the last several years that has lost reaction even with me cleaning it was a Raging Inferno, Brunswick covers do not seem to hold up well to use and they definately track up alot.

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Re: Track Coverstocks...
« Reply #10 on: February 11, 2005, 11:53:56 PM »
clean after every use - many said the Rock On (TEC2) died  quick death and I have 250 games on mine with only a light resurface. I'm not the expert some of these guys are but I haven't had one die early yet by cleaning regularly.

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Re: Track Coverstocks...
« Reply #11 on: February 12, 2005, 04:54:55 PM »
quote:
I have owned nothing but track for 2 yrs now and
i have seen no change in my balls reaction. I have
a Threat that has roughly 150 games on it and it
still works great. You just have to take care
of them like you do for your kids. TLC is the
ticket.
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charlest

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Re: Track Coverstocks...
« Reply #12 on: February 12, 2005, 04:55:55 PM »
quote:
The best ball I have ever thrown, pure performance, was the Freak Out.  It's not even close.  I had two.  After 80 games, one hit with less authority than my spare ball.  The other ball lasted about 95 games.  Hook Again, warm water, voodoo incantations, sacrifices to the bowling gods...nothing brought them even part way back.  I have had similar problems with Holoflex coverstocks, in that they become less consistent and can't be brought back to anywhere near box...
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charlest

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Re: Track Coverstocks...
« Reply #13 on: February 12, 2005, 05:00:31 PM »
Excaliber,

You, like I, go thru far too many balls for us to see serious deterioration in reaction and performance. Balls do absorb oil and the particle are crushed. Oil has to be extracted and particles have to be re-freshed to restore perfomance. It's inevitable. Be it 100 games or 500 games. It all depends on the roughness of the surface, the ball's coverstock, the amount of oil, our revs, etc. how soon we nned ot treat the ball, no matte rhow clean and fastidious we are in everyday cleaning. AND I am among the most serious in cleaning my balls, even Legends Diamond particles balls and Soaker coverstocks!!!!!!!!
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Phillip Marlowe

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Re: Track Coverstocks...
« Reply #14 on: February 12, 2005, 11:44:40 PM »
quote:
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The best ball I have ever thrown, pure performance, was the Freak Out.  It's not even close.  I had two.  After 80 games, one hit with less authority than my spare ball.  The other ball lasted about 95 games.  Hook Again, warm water, voodoo incantations, sacrifices to the bowling gods...nothing brought them even part way back.  I have had similar problems with Holoflex coverstocks, in that they become less consistent and can't be brought back to anywhere near box...
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Did you sacrifice the goat entrails on the keyboard of your PC,  like I suggested? ...



Yes, and it ruined the old keyboard -- and it didn't work.

 By the by, everyone who says their "so and so" still reacts as strongly, no manufacturer suggests that such is the case.  All admit their particle equipment loses substantial bite over time.  But as long as one has a reasonable reactive solid base, the ball will continue to "react" because the lanes "guide" the ball to the pocket.  My experience with a number of Track and Columbia particles (TEC, TEC 2, WOW and WOW II) was that they died sooner than comparable particles from Brunswick and Dynothane, but are better than Ebonite's.  Just my experience and those of some friends, but it doesn't mean you won't get different results, because every ball is unique.  These are just tendencies.
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