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MSC2471

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Track and sport shots- an amazing combination
« on: June 09, 2005, 02:53:14 PM »
Pattern number 4 of 4 came in my sport shot challenge league. 50 feet of oil tonight- a flat pattern with 60 units from gutter to gutter. I've never seen so many long faces as the games went by. I knew my Animal would be the best ball in my arsenal to use, and after trying out the deep inside line to up and down success (3 strikes, 4 pin, 4-6 and a pocket 8-10....from a lefty yes) I decided to move to the outside and play a slow frozen rope off the 9 board, angling to hit the 1-2 pocket as best as possible. For the following 25 shots, I had 1 count below 8 (a 4-7-10 in the 10th frame of game three), 1 8 count, 16 single pins and 7 strikes. The Animal kept me around the pocket and while others may have had more strikes over the course of the night, my 192-182-192= 566 series was I think the second or third high in the league out of 48 bowlers.

So far I've bowled on three of the four patterns in this league (34 feet with 80 units from outside 10 board, 65 units inside; 45 feet with 28 units outside of 10, 45 units inside; and tonight's 50 foot flat pattern) and feel confident that I can use either the Animal or the Slash to naviagate these patterns depending on what pattern is put out from week to week. I may bring my Rule with me to see if I can get a better look on the 34 foot pattern (it's more of a slower speed sensitive shot, not necessarily my A or B game), as that series was my lowest to date (500), as I have a 560 on the 45 footer to go with tonight's 566.

If I do plan to get a GP2, which of these patterns do you think would be best served for its use?

Matt

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Re: Track and sport shots- an amazing combination
« Reply #1 on: June 10, 2005, 07:01:10 AM »
Matt, I must say that I am jealous. I wish we had a summer league here that put out different shots on a weekly basis. Nonetheless a sport shot!! The best we can do is get new synthetics finally. They start construction on July 5th!!

As for your question, as you know all Morpheus core balls are very versatile so you could drill a GP2 for any one of those conditions. Personally, I would use it on the flat pattern that you just recently shot on. The Animal is a great ball, but the GP2 is a better ball for oil if you can believe that!! It is a bit stronger and just eats through oil like no other ball I have ever thrown.

Good luck in your decision and keep us posted with the trials and tribulations of bowling a sport shot league. I enjoy hearing about how well you score and how you play the lanes for a particular shot. Talk to you soon.
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Re: Track and sport shots- an amazing combination
« Reply #2 on: June 10, 2005, 07:36:55 AM »
The more oil, the better for the GP2. The last pattern you just bowled on sounds like a winner, but as mentioned, all of the Morpheous cores are so versatile that you can drill them up to help match the condition, not to mention the covers are just as versatile!

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Re: Track and sport shots- an amazing combination
« Reply #3 on: June 10, 2005, 09:01:07 AM »
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If I do plan to get a GP2, which of these patterns do you think would be best served for its use?


Definitely for the heavier oil shots Matt.  It'll allow you to open up the shot even a little better than the Animal.  Remember, having more ball strength and the ability to create friction is our key to creating more room on the lane.  It will be less susceptible to hang and offer more room for error.
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Re: Track and sport shots- an amazing combination
« Reply #4 on: June 10, 2005, 10:29:10 PM »
Did you tape these patterns? I've designed patterns for tournaments and for 60 units of oil gutter to guttter at 50 ft. Sand an Animal to 50 grit and it will not hook on that. No way. You could not have possibly have been playing deep inside.

No way!!!

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Re: Track and sport shots- an amazing combination
« Reply #5 on: June 10, 2005, 10:50:20 PM »
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Did you tape these patterns? I've designed patterns for tournaments and for 60 units of oil gutter to guttter at 50 ft. Sand an Animal to 50 grit and it will not hook on that. No way. You could not have possibly have been playing deep inside.

No way!!!

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Uh... deep inside is pretty much the only line people play on long patterns. Ever watch when the pba had a 50 foot pattern this year and mika was lofting 5th arrow?

Did he ever say he was playing deep inside with a swing? He was probably playing more like 20 at the arrows to 14 or so. This is the correct way to play long patterns in most situations.

Any equipment will work on a sport pattern that will work on a house shot, IMO. I don't buy into the "don't use skid snap equipment on sport shots." Skid snap does not necessarily mean inconsistent at the breakpoint, early rolling does not mean consistent!

Our league was the opposite last week, we had a 32 foot pattern. I played 5 at the arrows to 4 at the breakpoint, would have shot very well had I stayed focused and picked up my spares. Instead, I ended up with a sub-500 series for 3 and sub 650 series for 4.
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Re: Track and sport shots- an amazing combination
« Reply #6 on: June 11, 2005, 07:17:52 AM »
Stanski: Thank you for coming to my defense. Actually I have been practicing the deep inside line with help from my bowling coach. I was actually laying the ball down at 26, crossing the arrows at 22 and not getting the ball outside of 16 or 17 at break. So there wasn't much hook involved when playing that deep, and after leaving a 4-6 and a pocket 8-10 in consecutive frames, I decided the better move on a long pattern was to play a frozen rope off the gutter. I didn't get that many strikes, but I stayed out of trouble.

I didn't see anyone being able to get a wrinkle out of their equipment if they went straight down the first 12 boards on either side of the lane, and those that tried to play a hook never hit the head pin. The high series that night was one gentleman who shot 610, he threw the ball 12-13 mph on an angle like I did and faced similar carry issues as I had, but stayed for the most part out of trouble.

I don't see why I'm defending what I saw...but I know for sure that even my Animal didn't move too much on this pattern.

Matt

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Re: Track and sport shots- an amazing combination
« Reply #7 on: June 11, 2005, 08:36:13 AM »
Matt,

It sounds like it was a very challenging pattern. I love shooting on stuff like that, it keeps ya thinkin', know what I mean?

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Re: Track and sport shots- an amazing combination
« Reply #8 on: June 11, 2005, 12:38:05 PM »
Excaliber: Yes, the pattern did keep you thinking, and you couldn't let yourself go mentally for any shot, spare or strike. I had to make sure I hit my target on single pin spares as well- with my plastic if you missed a board right the ball missed to the right...

I guess I'm surprising myself that the patterns that I thought would be harder for me are within my game (45' and 50') and the shorter pattern seems to be the one that I need to work a little harder on (34').

Matt

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Re: Track and sport shots- an amazing combination
« Reply #9 on: June 11, 2005, 08:09:40 PM »
So is that pattern taped?
You did not answer my question.

It is the only way to know for sure.

Read my profile ... I know a little about setting up lanes.

Go to the PBA website

The US Open pattern is about 30 units of oil, gutter to gutter then buffed out to 40 ft. That is "15 ft. of buff" and they had to play outside.

The PBA ToC pattern has light oil on the outside with a concentration of 30 to 35 units in the middle for 25 ft. then buffed to 50 ft.

They had to play to the right.  

You stated your pattern was 60 units for 50 ft, gutter to gutter, no buff. I am telling you a ball will not even wrinkle on that. Most house shots do not even have that much in the middle and they are between 38 to 40 ft. and are buffed between 10 and 15 feet. A rule of thumb is that for every foot you increase a given pattern the ball will travel between 2 1/2 ft to 3 ft. further. That is a tremendous amount of oil. The ball would never get into a roll.

If you are giving correct numbers then post it.

Sorry until then, I do not believe you.

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Re: Track and sport shots- an amazing combination
« Reply #10 on: June 11, 2005, 11:23:49 PM »
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The US Open pattern is about 30 units of oil, gutter to gutter then buffed out to 40 ft. That is "15 ft. of buff" and they had to play outside.


That's incorrect.  The only player really playing out and scoring was Walter but then that's Walter.  Everyone else played in, including Reyes, Barnes, Archer, Kulick etc.  Generally speaking, the longer the pattern, the further in the breakpoint moves.

I don't know why you are being so harsh on him.  He's just posting what he's seeing and what he's experiencing.
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Re: Track and sport shots- an amazing combination
« Reply #11 on: June 12, 2005, 06:03:29 PM »
u.s. open........ the top 4 on tv all played 20-25 to 12-15...including lefty p.a.

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Re: Track and sport shots- an amazing combination
« Reply #12 on: June 15, 2005, 06:20:08 PM »
Lane Bed, what your saying is right in that with 60 units at 50 feet the ball wont hook. As you correctly stated the PBA flat pattern (US Open) is only dressed to 40 feet with half the units. And the long pattern (ToC) 50 feet with similar number of units. Both with a large buff area. You are right to request tapes to be sure of the pattern exactly but one would imagine the guy means 60 units in the heads and kept flat accross the lane. Unless their lane man is crazy I would guess there is plenty of buff.

As a chatered member of the Foundation I would recommend you visit www.bowlingdigital.com and read the article from none other than the Kegel CEO on long and short patterns and the associated lane play.

- Its simple geometry. Anything else is blocked lane thinking.

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Re: Track and sport shots- an amazing combination
« Reply #13 on: June 16, 2005, 03:46:38 AM »
Blockhater
I too am a Foundation member. I ran Foundation Games XVI the only amateur Games in the world. I know the people at Kegel well. Read about Game XVI on their site.

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« Reply #14 on: June 18, 2005, 05:58:58 AM »
Appreciated, you clearly know your things and I was not insulting your acheivements/accomplishments. I am familiar with the Foundation Games, I believe the first time long and short oil was used in a major tournament (could be wrong there, off the top of my head). You have done great things with lane conditioning, clearly, but pointing out past events does not make your point of view on the matter correct.

The fact is you did point out flawed logic that players play outside on longer oil patterns as a matter of course. Discuss this with John if you disagree as he has publically stated it recently on www.bowlingdigital.com

p.s. I am NOT A Foundation member, I minced my words, but I meant that as you are a member you should read up what I suggested.

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