Post by: chitown on February 10, 2007, 11:25:30 AM
I used to roll Track equipment. I ended up having some bad luck with some of there releases and switched to Hammer. My scores went thru the roof rolling Hammer and I have done pretty good money wise. My entire arsenal is Hammer. However that doesn't mean I won't try other brands. These are just bowling balls.
Ebonite has done a great job with the Hammer brand. I feel they will do the same with Track.
So hang tight Tracksters things may be better than before.
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Post by: scotts33 on February 10, 2007, 07:27:22 PM
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Post by: chitown on February 10, 2007, 07:32:52 PM
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chi--I don't disagree with you but what if the shoe was on the other foot?
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What do you mean? If Hammer was bought out by Columbia would I be upset? No not really. If the new Hammers didn't match up with me then I would try another company. I do understand that some bowlers are more loyal than others to using a certain company's equipment.
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Post by: Xfest on February 10, 2007, 07:37:56 PM
Now only 3 main companies out in the bowling world.
Ebonite Industries
Brunswick Bowling
Storm Bowling
Those are the 3 main producers of bowling balls now. I believe this move was enormous. Ebonite is on the top of the selling charts producing the latest and greatest Total NV, and is a huge seller. I would expect Columbia equipment to be the latest and greatest in the near future producing a better ball than they are right now. Expect for Track to follow suit, and be re-innovated.
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Storm PyroPost by: Rev_O on February 10, 2007, 07:40:04 PM
Everyone justs needs to relax. What steams my veggies about the whole ordeal is my closeout order is being held up by this merger. I placed the order 2 weeks ago, and I can't get a straight answer from Ebonite, or Columbia. Of course, I call to Ebonite on friday went unreturned. I have a few customers that are not happy right now becasue of this!!
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Post by: scotts33 on February 10, 2007, 07:43:32 PM
Current balls used.
Visionary (2)
Track (1)
Storm (1)
RotoGrip (1)
LM/L (1-2) Probably moving them not getting much use.
Ebonite (1) Might be gone soon. Lost reaction.
C300 (2)
AMF (1)
I understand brand loyalty. Just not for me.
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Post by: chitown on February 10, 2007, 08:12:23 PM
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I agree chitown. I said the same thing a few days ago (it's only a bowling ball!), and I got my head bit off by a couple certain individuals
REV O, I don't understand why these guys would bash you for making that statement. For me it's all about making money and having fun bowling. I take this sport pretty serious and am on a big money, tough lane conditions league.
If i'm using Hammer but columbia has a ball that sparks my interest then I will grab it. I don't care if Columbia makes it or not. I care about how it rolls for me. I care about how much money I can make using that ball. The heck with brand loyalty. Now I'm more prone to using another Hammer product because i've had success with them but that doesn't mean I won't try another company's equipment.
The only company I don't use is Brunswick. The Mexico thing bothers me. I know it may be dumb to others but it bothers me. Plus there are so many other bowling balls out there that I don't even need to look at Brunswick.
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Post by: chitown on February 10, 2007, 08:50:54 PM
I use the PAIN which has the JUICED reactive coverstock. The HAWGWILD has the CT coverstock. Same company but different covers. Just because there the same company doesn't mean that i'm going to match up well with all there equipment.
I used to roll only Track equipment for a couple years. Each ball was working great. Then a few of there releases didn't match up well with me at all. That's when I tried Hammer. The DOOM worked great for me. Then I tried the PAIN. Yet again it worked great for me. Then I tried the BW. Didn't work great for me.
My point is your saying that it makes a big difference. I disagree with that. I don't know any bowler that matches up well with every ball in a company's line. If that's the case then i'm sure other company's would have bowling balls that would work great for them.
I'm sure all bowlers could find bowling balls from every company that work well for them.
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Post by: chitown on February 10, 2007, 08:55:14 PM
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It's great to not understand brand-bias because it isn't an issue for you. Any decent hack can go out there with just about any ball from any company and avg. 210 with the way house shots are nowadays. But having the right roll and matchup to your game is important and on challenging shots it really shows. Confidence in your equipment is a major key to this game.
I bowl on tough conditions every single week in my big money league. I understand about matching up a ball, layout and condition. Most bowling balls work well on house shots but there's not a lot that work great on tough patterns. I have said this many times.
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Post by: chitown on February 10, 2007, 08:57:08 PM
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I get more predictability out of Lane#1 than any other company. And that is when I'm comfortable; when I feel entirely confident that I know exactly where the ball is going when it leaves my hand.
Did you not match up when Columbia started making the covers for LANE 1?
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Post by: six pack on February 10, 2007, 08:57:20 PM
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Post by: T Brockette on February 10, 2007, 10:02:53 PM
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according to Jim King of BTM Magazine, it was only an "Asset" buyout. Land, machines, buildings, inventory, supplies,etc. Storm, Lane#1, and AMF will be made there for 60 days then everything goes to Ky. AMF and Lane#1 will have to find a new maker. Storm will start making the balls that Columbia was making for them. Ebonite will take over marketing and promotion for Columbia, Track, and Dynothane. No news on Dynorooz. No more Circle balls
Deadbait,
I believe that everything you said is correct with the exception about the land. What we are getting down here is that the land is not part of the deal.
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Post by: REVerse on February 10, 2007, 10:15:00 PM
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I said this in another thread, and I'll say it again. I don't think Ebonite bought Columbia to throw an Ebonite cover on a Track core, or vice versa. Ebonite, since buying hammer, have made a POINT to keep the lines separate. They don't share coverstocks or core technology or really philosophy. Ebonite and Hammer are two very well defined, separate lines. I suspect much of what makes Track Track will remain the same, though I would expect some marketing changes and similar stuff.
I hope the marketing changes include a new and improved Track website. It gave me fits every time that I tried to logon. Geesh...
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Post by: 9orbetter on February 11, 2007, 10:11:30 AM
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Post by: bgh on February 11, 2007, 10:41:26 AM
Ebonite is very good with communication, be it web page education, seminars, and demonstrations, technology, and company direction. Something that in many cases was very lacking with the Columbia Umbrella of Ball companies.
The Industry still needs more consolidation in this area. The Track name, in particular, has always raised interest; very good bowling ball company name. Columbia 300 also - a very good, strong name. Whether they hang onto those assets or incorporate some of the technologies into the Ebonite products, only time will tell.
I would think that Ebonite will be selling some of the bowling assets in the coming year, and garnering the best. Ebonite has been around along time - and can see the writing on the wall and getting ready for the next cycle of bowling.
IMHO, it levels the playing field to the big three and few smaller homespun grassroots companies. In business, it seems that 2 or 3 major competitors make the capitalist free enterprise market work more efficiently. There was simply too much pork on the market - just like the food supermaket industry today. Consolidation, necessary - only the best will survive; it will be more efficient and better for the bowler in the long run.
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Post by: mainzer on February 11, 2007, 12:11:29 PM
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Post by: RDS on February 13, 2007, 11:05:12 AM
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Post by: Xfest on February 13, 2007, 11:22:47 AM
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I am with Lane1Bowler here Ebonits stuff is dying and cracking all over One line and TNVs already are dying and cracking. All I hope is this: Just keep the R&D depts seperate and there shouldn't that much difference, I hope
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All I've had was one cracked ball from Track called the Desert Heat which was a manufacturing defect. Thats the only ball I have had crack.
All the rumors about stuff dying and cracking is bs. If you don't throw it, don't judge it.
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Post by: Aricsdad on February 13, 2007, 12:06:03 PM