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Title: Up-Rising vs Venom
Post by: lbss831 on June 09, 2008, 09:13:40 PM
Which 1 will be more skid/flip, and which 1 would you choose
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Title: Re: Up-Rising vs Venom
Post by: DragonLord on June 10, 2008, 05:49:23 AM
i like the uprising.
Title: Re: Up-Rising vs Venom
Post by: Weaser on June 10, 2008, 08:24:48 AM
Please elaborate since these 2 have not been released to the public yet. Really interested with the Uprising.
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Title: Re: Up-Rising vs Venom
Post by: NJStroker on June 10, 2008, 01:47:48 PM
Venom will be more skid/flip but the uprising will be a lot more usable and predictable. UPRISING IS 10 TIMES BETTER.
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Title: Re: Up-Rising vs Venom
Post by: lbss831 on June 10, 2008, 02:07:27 PM
Know they have not been released yet, but hoping to get some staffers views that have thrown them. Or to see what other viewers would think to be the most skid/flip.Don't need anything just want the most skid/flip looking to have some fun and can't decide which 1 i want,Stroker I was thinking the Venom as well,just saw the video to the uprising and was drawn in so torn between the two
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Title: Re: Up-Rising vs Venom
Post by: louf846 on June 10, 2008, 02:27:07 PM
Staffers under the Ebonite International umbrella do not get the balls until the worldwide release date. The people who do assist in ball tests and such generally cannot say too much in advance. As far as skid/flip look, I still think the Kinetic tops the list but skid/flip means different things to different people.
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Title: Re: Up-Rising vs Venom
Post by: louf846 on June 10, 2008, 02:28:14 PM
quote:
Venom will be more skid/flip but the uprising will be a lot more usable and predictable. UPRISING IS 10 TIMES BETTER.
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Im so glad people are brainwashed to thinking that if they buy a new ball they will carry everything. And its even funnier when im carrying with my 15 year old ball and they're going flat ten.


How do you know this? Have you thrown them both or seen them in real world situations?
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Title: Re: Up-Rising vs Venom
Post by: lbss831 on June 10, 2008, 02:47:34 PM
yeah that is true with everything I own the Kinetic is the one that is most flippy , I love my balls to flip on the backend. So I guess want something that can match that or top it,so was thinking the uprising,never threw the rising always saw other ppl throw them and I see its flippy as well. But I know also the widows are flippy,just asking for opinions what ppl think,with the same drilling on both balls which one will flip the most, where you can see it like that of the Kinetic
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Title: Re: Up-Rising vs Venom
Post by: louf846 on June 10, 2008, 03:29:17 PM
Same layout on the Kinetic and UpRising will do slightly different things due to the core strength. The stronger the int. diff, the greater the effect on ball motion when moving it from one place to another. I don't want to comment on if the UpRising will be super skid/flip or what layout works best to achieve that motion since I haven't thrown the ball. I do know the Kinetic Energy will give you the same core as the Kinetic with a stronger coverstock so it will hook a touch sooner but still be very strong on the back. Probably will give you 3-5 boards of more hook than the Kinetic so, on heavier volumes, will give you that look when the Kinetic might go to long. I will compare the new releases to past releases after I can see real world analysis.
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Title: Re: Up-Rising vs Venom
Post by: lbss831 on June 10, 2008, 08:39:32 PM
I already have the kinetic energy dont really like it,its a good ball very smooth but in my opinion not as flippy as the kinetic
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Title: Re: Up-Rising vs Venom
Post by: NJStroker on June 11, 2008, 01:52:34 PM
quote:
quote:
Venom will be more skid/flip but the uprising will be a lot more usable and predictable. UPRISING IS 10 TIMES BETTER.
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Im so glad people are brainwashed to thinking that if they buy a new ball they will carry everything. And its even funnier when im carrying with my 15 year old ball and they're going flat ten.


How do you know this? Have you thrown them both or seen them in real world situations?
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Louis Franzetti

Track Regional Staff Member
No but generally really skid/flip balls are very uncontrollable off the backend and can leave with either really good carry, or really wierd designs. The Uprising from the vid looks to be smoother than what the VENOM is advertised to be which is longer than any bw to date.
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Im so glad people are brainwashed to thinking that if they buy a new ball they will carry everything. And its even funnier when im carrying with my 15 year old ball and they're going flat ten.
Title: Re: Up-Rising vs Venom
Post by: louf846 on June 11, 2008, 02:25:56 PM
The video is one person making two or three shots at best on a condition that you don't know what it is with a layout you don't know. I am just saying not to compare a ball you have not seen in a real world environment to a ball you have not seen in a real world environment. I think both balls will be great balls. The Widow line has been one of the most successful lines of bowling balls EVER released. I think the UpRising will be a very special and very versatile ball.
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Title: Re: Up-Rising vs Venom
Post by: lbss831 on June 12, 2008, 12:41:12 AM
well to me Stroker none of my widows go long, they say that everytime they bring 1 out oh this one will go longer, to me like they went shorther lol, if any would say the solid went longest,now for me for them to say it will move more than the bite on backend,thats what i wana see cuz the bite moves alot already on backend, then watching the video to uprising even if not knowing what pattern or how it was drilled i was sold, cuz like the movement was so smooth then flipped on back what heck mite jus get them both lol
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Title: Re: Up-Rising vs Venom
Post by: louf846 on June 12, 2008, 06:21:17 AM
The movement, regardless of what they bowled on, is impressive. Just saying not to compare that movement to what you would expect for the Venom or vice versa because it will be two different people throwing it, etc. Assuming mine shows up on July 1, on July 2, I will have plenty of feedback for you on this ball!
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Title: Re: Up-Rising vs Venom
Post by: lbss831 on June 12, 2008, 10:11:36 AM
understand what are saying,I have all the widows so im looking forward to the venom, I know what the widow line will do,just saying from the advertisement of the commercial on the uprising i was sold, i may have thrown my friends rising once and I liked the movement on the backend as well, just never got around to getting one,knowing me ill end up getting them both lol but will be looking forward to your feedback as well or when my proshop guy gets his in ill find out then
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Title: Re: Up-Rising vs Venom
Post by: Xcessive_Evil on June 12, 2008, 12:53:44 PM
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The Widow line has been one of the most successful lines of bowling balls EVER released.


Coming from someone who has thrown all three and will throw the VENOM as well, I have to agree with this.  The Widow line is hot, even the Bite which quite a few doesn't like for some reason.
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Title: Re: Up-Rising vs Venom
Post by: lbss831 on June 12, 2008, 02:14:19 PM
i agree with u  Xcessive_Evil i dont know why alot ppl didnt like the bite i love mine, but everyone has there own opinion but like say will be getting the venom just cant wait seeing that is suppose hook more than bite on backend.
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