Post by: Mark T. Trgovac on February 02, 2007, 01:30:54 AM
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Post by: MSC2471 on February 02, 2007, 09:48:31 AM
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Post by: Brickguy221 on February 02, 2007, 11:52:02 AM
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Post by: Brickguy221 on February 02, 2007, 12:27:08 PM
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nice vid but it looks like those pins weigh 20 lbs a piece....
I agree the carry on the Track balls wasn't overwhelming but I thought the Saga made the pins look like light weight pins the way it demolished the rack. Probably a case of the right ball, right drilling on the right condition at the right time for the Saga vs The Track balls at the time of the filming maybe???
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Edited on 2/2/2007 1:25 PM
Post by: clintdaley on February 02, 2007, 12:29:02 PM
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Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on February 02, 2007, 12:58:16 PM
The outsides were pretty dry, thus the reason the Phoenix rolled really quick when I got it outside early. With the Phoenix I had a much better look keeping the ball in the oil. In watching the video you will see that the EQ^2 was sent more to the right and finished harder off of the dry. These balls are drilled identically...the difference in reaction you see is based on the OOB surface preps. The Phoenix is a much smoother ball by nature but has it share of "jump" off of the dry when kept in the oil long enough, but if it gets to the dry too quick it bleeds alot of energy.....thus the reason for the half pocket hits.
The Power Machine was added to the mix to show how much deeper I had to start it inside than the EQ^2 and how hard it still finishes.
My starting point with the Phoenix was standing 28 targeting 12 down the lane. I had to move my feet to 24 and my target to 10(or 9) with the Equation. The Power Machine forced me to stand 30 and target 10 board down the lane.
-Carl
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Edited on 2/2/2007 2:01 PM
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Post by: directdrill on February 02, 2007, 04:57:23 PM
Scoot, you make that Mean Machine look really good. That is some serious backend. Roto-Grip ball looks good, too.
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Post by: bgh on February 02, 2007, 08:25:56 PM
Mark,
What kind of surface is on the Roto Grip Epic Saga? Looks to be something more than the OOB surface. Looks kind of polished up. Polish used? and surface grit?
Please.
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Post by: Brickguy221 on February 02, 2007, 08:29:16 PM
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Scoot, you make that Mean Machine look really good. That is some serious backend. Roto-Grip ball looks good, too.
I agree....After watching the tape again, I felt the Mean Machine and the Roto Grip Saga were pretty equal in looks and hit/carry on the backend.
While here I have a question..... I never pay Roto Grip any attention nor know what goes on with RG, but noted the tape said that was the first non Columbia/Track made ball. Was Columbia making that ball and who makes RG now? I thought that Storm always made RG. Or did I read it wrong. The message moved almost too fast for these almost 70 year old eyes of mine.
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Post by: Rileybowler on February 02, 2007, 08:33:58 PM
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Post by: Mark T. Trgovac on February 02, 2007, 10:48:18 PM
First to the guys who called us hacks and said we wouldnt ave anything on a flat shot, I am not sure what carl ave on our pba league but I know I have a 186 on that shot. So house hacks I think not.
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The epic saga comes 1500 with polish. With the OOB finish it just went to long for me and recovered at to much of a angle. I took it down to 1000 abralon and it has a light coat of magic shine.
The Inertia.
The inertia is by far my most versital ball. As you can see in the video I was able to play it with a light swing out the dry, a really tight inside shot almost dead up 15 and then the big time swing shot that just killed the rack.
Saga
The path to the pocket I played with the saga was a big swing shot. It was the only ball I had that would hold that line. The shot I played with it was finish 34 with my feet. I then sent it from 22/20 out to 10 then 6 then 4. Each time I went deeper I added a little more speed. I tryed these lines with the Mean Machine, but when it got to the dry it just took off left. If you would like to see that PM me and I will email you those shots so you can see it hit the dry and snap hard. Also what I said about the saga was that the roto grip epic saga was the first non columbia/track made ball to make its way into my bag o tricks in 3 years.
Track balls on the carry.
I dont know if you guys noticed it but the saga being the only ball that was not track was killing the pocket. Yet if you watch the inertia video the almost dead straight up 15 shot I carry a 7-10 big time. I dont know what you guys call carry but when I throw a shot that I thought hit weak and I trip out the 7-10, that is carry to me.
I will say this though, me and carl did take some time to find shots with these balls. The only ball that wasnt practiced with was the saga. This was because I tryed those shots with the artil and the mm but they both hooked to much. The shot you see with the saga is my ideal line with it and the look to the pocket I get with it that I dont get with anything els. The Inertia doesnt count because of it being my benchmark ball.
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C-G Pro Shop
Offical "Spokesman"
Youngstown, Ohio
(The fallowing is said in a larry the cable guy type voice) "You mean to tell me that if I drill a Mass bias Ba-all, that the cd dunt matter for anything other then wens you weight it up?"
"Freak Bowling Ball cleaner of the TRACK Revolution."
Post by: directdrill on February 02, 2007, 11:25:57 PM
Why don't you go troll some where else? Every time you post here, you bring nothing to the table. If you are so great, why don't you post a video so we can all see just how great you are. Stay out of the Track forum while the adults exchange information.
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Looks like a couple house hacks spraying a garden hose!!
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Post by: Brickguy221 on February 02, 2007, 11:43:46 PM
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Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on February 03, 2007, 01:33:06 AM
The purpose of this video is show the 3 balls I use the most. I have 3 Power Machines, but this one is the most useful and is the medium reaction of the 3.
The Phoenix is clearly the smoother, stronger rolling ball of the 3 I threw. This type of reaction is perfect for me to read a pattern with. I like smoother transitions from the oil to the dry....but also strong continuation through the pindeck. I will probably end up drilling atleast 1 more Phoenix....maybe 2. I am curious of the type of reaction I would get out of it with a longer pin to PAP layout (such as 5-5.5) and I also want to see what it would do with a leverage or earlier reving layout.
Ask Mark which of those balls has been the most consistant....better hitting and rolling.......and overall best scoring. You will be suprised at his answer.
-Carl
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Post by: gloman on February 03, 2007, 09:23:04 AM
Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on February 03, 2007, 10:27:03 AM
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Post by: Brickguy221 on February 03, 2007, 12:48:58 PM
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I will probably end up drilling atleast 1 more Phoenix....maybe 2.
Carl, on that one more Phoenix.....maybe 2.....drill 14# ones.....one for me and one for Rick.
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Post by: gloman on February 03, 2007, 05:11:42 PM
Would the reaction of the Power Machine be different than the Phoenix and GP2?
I have been told the GP2 and Phoenix are arching type balls and the Power machine is a strong flip type ball.
I do not want my balls to have similar reaction in case I need different shots. Does it make sense to have different type reaction in your arsenal of balls.
Don't mean to ask so many questions.
Post by: Mark T. Trgovac on February 03, 2007, 10:41:34 PM
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Mark "scoot" Trgovac
C-G Pro Shop
Offical "Spokesman"
Youngstown, Ohio
(The fallowing is said in a larry the cable guy type voice) "You mean to tell me that if I drill a Mass bias Ba-all, that the cd dunt matter for anything other then wens you weight it up?"
"Freak Bowling Ball cleaner of the TRACK Revolution."
Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on February 04, 2007, 01:45:36 AM
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Thank You for the reply. Do you think the GP2 and Phoenix would have similar reaction. I understand the surface on the GP2 is more aggressive.
Would the reaction of the Power Machine be different than the Phoenix and GP2?
I have been told the GP2 and Phoenix are arching type balls and the Power machine is a strong flip type ball.
I do not want my balls to have similar reaction in case I need different shots. Does it make sense to have different type reaction in your arsenal of balls.
Don't mean to ask so many questions.
The GP2 and Phoenix are 2 very different type of balls. The Phoenix is reactive and the GP2 is dual particle. The GP2 will start up sooner and be a much better fit in heavier oil than the Phoenix.
The Power Machine is far different from the both of them. The Power Machine gets down the lane much further before starting up and finishing extremely hard through the pins. The Power Machine is a better fit when you have alot of friction down the lane.
Where the GP2 and the Phoenix are both "arcing" type balls....they are very different...and in my opinion both are worth having in an arsenal. The Phoenix based on my observations is a perfect benchmark type ball....first out of the bag type...to read a pattern with. The Phoenix will be far more forgiving in friction than the GP2.
I hope this info helps,
Carl
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Post by: tenpinspro on February 05, 2007, 03:03:40 AM
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Post by: cnimsk on February 23, 2007, 12:24:40 PM
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