Post by: rolls06 on March 10, 2006, 06:25:31 PM
Here you go
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6081454821395603331
Post by: Re-Evolution on March 11, 2006, 03:39:34 AM
Hooks less than expected, what were you expecting, look really strong to me, especially in the back.
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Post by: SteveAustin2808 on March 11, 2006, 07:47:08 AM
You said hooked less than expected? Well, I guess for the rev-deprived like me, the way you hook the ball is like frickin' sick! I also feel your pain on some of the 9 pins left in the vid...in league Wednesday night, I guess I left about 7 or 8 of them. Those Track balls hit way too hard! LOL! Excellent video! God Bless you and have a great week!
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Post by: JOE FALCO on March 11, 2006, 07:51:15 AM
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Post by: Mark T. Trgovac on March 12, 2006, 01:12:37 AM
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Post by: icetink on March 12, 2006, 01:22:18 AM
I wonder how the reaction would have been if you drilled the ball with the pin higher above your midline; I'm thinking it probably would have backended/hooked more. That video of your Arsenal Aggressive (vs. AR vs. AA) with the pin high is also just ... wow.
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Post by: AmfTrack on March 12, 2006, 01:50:10 AM
Post by: AmfTrack on March 12, 2006, 02:01:27 AM
Post by: chitown on March 12, 2006, 02:42:48 AM
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LOL....this proves a strong ball, a bad release and a WALLED lane condition = LOTS of Strikes...this should be the official video for what's wrong with bowling.
Strong ball? yes! Blocked condition? Yes! Bad release? No! If you feel the only reason he is getting this ball to hook like that then you haven't seen his other vids of much weaker equipment.
I understand if there was a major out of bounds he would have had to play different. How often does one get to practice on tough patterns and tape themselves? I don't know of many houses that will let you throw out what ever pattern you want.
Just my 2 cents!
Post by: Mark T. Trgovac on March 12, 2006, 03:02:17 AM
That is just my two cents. (Sorry chitown had to barrow it.)
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Post by: tenpinspro on March 12, 2006, 01:15:05 PM
Great job buddy, very nice touch with the animation to show people how the block rotates and migrates to its PSA. Very well done...
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Post by: AmfTrack on March 12, 2006, 03:28:34 PM
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Post by: duvallite on March 12, 2006, 07:10:13 PM
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Post by: chitown on March 12, 2006, 07:16:37 PM
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That's all I'm saying HIGHRISE, I'm not trying to insult anyone or make people upset, I'm just being honest. In that video the kid had from 15 to the gutter, it's rediculous. The credibility of bowling has drastically gone down hill, and this video is a perfect example of why. Almost anyone can buy a new high performance ball, hit up on the ball, send it to the gutter and avg. 200. It's sad.
No doubt the easy house patterns allow bad bowlers to avg. high. I bowl on tough patterns and no one in my league avg. 200 and hasn't since I joined it 3 seasons ago.
Rolls even states that he thought the ball would be a lot stronger than it is. So he is giving his honest opinion.
Yes bumper bowling and dry back ends will make a lot of balls look great.
I feel that on his vid he was playing different lines to show what the ball looked like from different lines. Yes on a tough pattern one wouldn't be able to strike from many different lines like that.
I think you guys just need to give the guy a break. His vids are enjoyable to watch even on an easy pattern. Plus for the guy that questioned his follow thru; who are you to critisize or question this guys follow thru? I wonder how many people critisized Walter Rays follow thru?
A bowler does not need to have texted book form to be a great bowler period!
Post by: monstercrank on March 12, 2006, 07:32:03 PM
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Post by: Djarum on March 12, 2006, 07:52:10 PM
The delta has pretty similar specs. Just curious
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Post by: chitown on March 12, 2006, 08:50:08 PM
That's my defination of a wall. No matter what line you played, there was enough backend to make the ball carry. If you noticed also, even though his starting postion was different, the ball ended up in the same area with the same results.
Inverted 1 your reply above is not in question as far as the definition of the wall. What I don't understand is your last statement. "even though his starting position was different, the ball ended up in the same area with the same results". No doubt there is a lot of area where he is playing. Also he probably wouldn't be playing all of those different lines on a tough flat pattern. You must remeber he was just posting a vid for bowlers to see the ball reaction from different lines.
We all know he wasn't playing on a reverse blockl or flat sport shot. lol Come on guys give him a break.
Rolls 6 great vid and thanks for making it for others to see.
Post by: Djarum on March 13, 2006, 08:16:00 AM
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LOL....this proves a strong ball, a bad release and a WALLED lane condition = LOTS of Strikes...this should be the official video for what's wrong with bowling.
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Looks like a great ball HOWEVER you had at least 5 - 10 boards of wall bring that ball back. You were all over the lanes and it didn't matter, the ball came humming back to the pocket. Were you at Rev-O's house?
I could take my power groove on that condition and make it look like the greatest ball on earth.quote:
I feel that on his vid he was playing different lines to show what the ball looked like from different lines. Yes on a tough pattern one wouldn't be able to strike from many different lines like that.
That's my defination of a wall. No matter what line you played, there was enough backend to make the ball carry. If you noticed also, even though his starting postion was different, the ball ended up in the same area with the same results.
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I'm not sure how entirely true these statements are. At my house, especially on Friday nights, there is plenty of backend to get the ball to the pocket. But carry? Good luck. You can play 30 boards and you might strike 1 out of 3 pocket hits.
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Post by: chitown on March 13, 2006, 12:27:50 PM
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IMHO, anytime a shot is walled, it means you can play different lines to the pocket and still get the ball to carry.
As far as different starting positions, what I meant was that even if he started inside or outside on his approach, as long as he ended up downlane in the same area with his ball, it found its way to the pocket.
IMHO, this isn't a good way to measure or show how a ball reacts. Like I said, on these conditons, even a power groove would look great!
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OK we both agree with what a wall is and that one can carry from many different lines consistantly.
I completely understand what you were saying about the defined break point are down the lane.
No this is not the best lanes to show how well a ball works. That is why I said most bowling alleys are not going to put out a tough lane pattern for you to make a vid. So he made a vid just to show the ball. What it does show is how it works on a house shot. To his defense though he stated that the ball was not as strong as he thought even though others said the back end was huge.
I like when these guys make there vids of the balls. Most on here understand that there not on tough lane patterns.
Post by: Mark T. Trgovac on March 13, 2006, 11:47:30 PM
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Post by: JOE FALCO on March 14, 2006, 09:20:49 AM
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Post by: nospareball on March 14, 2006, 12:52:12 PM
Post by: icetink on March 16, 2006, 11:08:37 PM
... and here are my initial impressions of the Machine:
Mine is drilled:
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Clean through the fronts, pretty strong in the midlane, not as strong and angular as I expected on the backend. Therefore, I do have to agree about the ball not hooking as much as I expected. It's still not as strong as my Delta on fresh, but it covers a great amount of boards after game 1 (first game, 198, second game, 248, then I had to go home
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