Author Topic: Videos of New Track Equipment (Read 4968 times)

louf846 · « **on:** July 14, 2009, 02:06:03 AM »

Videos of the equipment are in the works. They will be available right around the 930T release date. I believe they will be on the Track website. Once they are available, I will post links.

Thanks for your patience and we appreciate your interest in seeing the balls in action. You will like what you see.
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MC · « **Reply #16 on:** July 16, 2009, 01:41:40 PM »

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As a side note being a staff player for multiple years with a few different companies I can honestly say this. There have been balls I have drilled that no matter what the layouts or surface I couldn't make certain balls look good.
Sometimes you just don't match up with a particular core/cover combo.

All good points, Billy Ray.

Xcessive Evil: I am not employeed or have any affiliation with Track or Ebonite. I just offered to do the videos, since there has been such an desire on here to see videos. Figs was nice enough to agree and send me the balls. The rest is up to me. He has told me nothing to put in the video nor keep out of the video. As for the compairing of this line vs. the old lines that will not happen as I do not have any of those balls. Sorry. They will be on a THS, as that is what I typically bowl on. At some point I would like to do the PBA patterns but that will not be this video.

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louf846 · « **Reply #17 on:** July 16, 2009, 01:45:44 PM »

THS is a good idea. Like BK said, most of the bowlers won't be bowling on a PBA shot so what does it matter how the roll on them.

Seeing different they read the midland and react to friction is what will impress most of the viewers.
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Billy Ray · « **Reply #18 on:** July 16, 2009, 02:23:20 PM »

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THS is a good idea. Like BK said, most of the bowlers won't be bowling on a PBA shot so what does it matter how the roll on them.

Seeing different they read the midland and react to friction is what will impress most of the viewers.
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I agree with Lou on this one besides I know for a fact that my THS is way different than yours! LOL
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Xcessive_Evil · « **Reply #19 on:** July 16, 2009, 10:15:33 PM »

Understood MC. Any video on the new equipment is honestly better than no video at all.
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Kid Jete · « **Reply #20 on:** July 16, 2009, 10:31:00 PM »

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Guys,

Toward the end of my time of being on staff, some of you may remember that I took 3 different balls, stayed on the same line to show their strengths and weaknesses (they all didn't strike).

Who would like to see this again? I agree with Lou, videos just striking at will do very little for me. I'm more concerned with the differences from one piece to another to utilize their potential accordingly.

For those who understand speed to rev ratio, these videos are almost useless. I'd rather see one ball hook on a certain line and one not hook. If everything just hooked, why would you need the other 2? haha...

Please, just common sense...

If you guys agree, I will ask the man (FIG) permission to do this and then it will be done so long as he agrees. You guys vote or speak up...thanks.
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Edited on 7/15/2009 5:36 PM

I told Briton to do this a million times but apparently the guys doing the videos are more worried about showing flush shots than actual comparative information. It would be much easier to see the difference in reaction shape and strength if all the balls were first thrown on the exactly same line and THEN thrown on the line they are intended for.

VideoBallReviews · « **Reply #21 on:** July 17, 2009, 05:16:46 AM »

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quote:
Guys,

Toward the end of my time of being on staff, some of you may remember that I took 3 different balls, stayed on the same line to show their strengths and weaknesses (they all didn't strike).

Who would like to see this again? I agree with Lou, videos just striking at will do very little for me. I'm more concerned with the differences from one piece to another to utilize their potential accordingly.

For those who understand speed to rev ratio, these videos are almost useless. I'd rather see one ball hook on a certain line and one not hook. If everything just hooked, why would you need the other 2? haha...

Please, just common sense...

If you guys agree, I will ask the man (FIG) permission to do this and then it will be done so long as he agrees. You guys vote or speak up...thanks.
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Rick Leong - Ten Pins Pro Shop
Tag Team Coaching - Co-Founder
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Edited on 7/15/2009 5:36 PM

I told Briton to do this a million times but apparently the guys doing the videos are more worried about showing flush shots than actual comparative information. It would be much easier to see the difference in reaction shape and strength if all the balls were first thrown on the exactly same line and THEN thrown on the line they are intended for.

I agree, this is a good idea but there are a few things that make it hard to do.

One thing to remember is this site represents a small population of the bowling world that has decided to take that next step and educate themselves in one way or another. We are not the majority by any means. With this in mind, when you compare two balls on the same line one ball inevitably looks weaker downlane...weaker downlane to the average league bowler means weaker overall, which again usually means "i dont want that ball, i want the stronger one"...this is usually why inter-company comparisons are not done, even if both balls are shown striking from different lines, one may not be covering as many boards doing it...again to you and me thats not a bad thing, but to the avg league bowler who wants to have the biggest hooking ball possible, it makes one company look inferior than another.

When i was doing videos for all the brands, one time i had a lower to mid price ball out hooking a high end piece in a video comparison, the brand manager (who will remain nameless) said we can't show this...we cant show a $130 ball covering more lane than a $180 ball even if that is the case...

the other potential flaw with doing videos like this, is that it must be done on a flatter pattern...if you do this on the house china, usually you will blend reactions so bad you may end up throwing the same with two completely different balls

Just my two cents...good luck with the track videos mike
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Edited on 7/17/2009 5:18 AM

MC · « **Reply #22 on:** July 17, 2009, 06:59:50 AM »

Thanks Britton
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solid9proshop · « **Reply #23 on:** July 17, 2009, 09:03:56 AM »

Since I have to drill them maybe you guys can offer up some drillings that you would like to see. We do have the midwest PBA machine here at my home house and maybe could work something out for Mike to have any Midwest PBA pattern set up for him to shoot on, but I will have to check with Bryan first.

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Chief BK · « **Reply #24 on:** July 17, 2009, 10:31:44 AM »

I agree with Britton to a point. If the "multi-ball - same line" video is being done, you have to flatten out the THS just a bit. It won't take much. Simply removing a 10 to 10 and adding a 2 to 2 could be all you would need to show the difference.

If it's a single ball vid, put down the great wall that 90% of the free world's bowlers see and let it fly!

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DanR · « **Reply #25 on:** July 17, 2009, 01:17:32 PM »

Britton

Good idea on shotting the videos on conditions other then THS. So when are you going to start this on your videos?

VideoBallReviews · « **Reply #26 on:** July 17, 2009, 01:32:19 PM »

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Britton

Good idea on shotting the videos on conditions other then THS. So when are you going to start this on your videos?

DanR, or should i call you Slumpbuster? Do you guys just sit and wait for me to post on this site to make some smart comment about my videos?

I have done plenty of videos not on a THS...in fact so this relates to the original post, i did a few track videos on sport shots

http://www.videoballreviews.com/kineticpearl.html

http://www.videoballreviews.com/uprising.html

etc, etc...

So give it a rest...I love my "fans"

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Mark T. Trgovac · « **Reply #27 on:** July 18, 2009, 02:45:52 AM »

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quote:
Guys,

Toward the end of my time of being on staff, some of you may remember that I took 3 different balls, stayed on the same line to show their strengths and weaknesses (they all didn't strike).

Who would like to see this again? I agree with Lou, videos just striking at will do very little for me. I'm more concerned with the differences from one piece to another to utilize their potential accordingly.

For those who understand speed to rev ratio, these videos are almost useless. I'd rather see one ball hook on a certain line and one not hook. If everything just hooked, why would you need the other 2? haha...

Please, just common sense...

If you guys agree, I will ask the man (FIG) permission to do this and then it will be done so long as he agrees. You guys vote or speak up...thanks.
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Tag Team Coaching - Co-Founder
"El" Presidente of the Legion

Edited on 7/15/2009 5:36 PM

I told Briton to do this a million times but apparently the guys doing the videos are more worried about showing flush shots than actual comparative information. It would be much easier to see the difference in reaction shape and strength if all the balls were first thrown on the exactly same line and THEN thrown on the line they are intended for.

I agree, this is a good idea but there are a few things that make it hard to do.

One thing to remember is this site represents a small population of the bowling world that has decided to take that next step and educate themselves in one way or another. We are not the majority by any means. With this in mind, when you compare two balls on the same line one ball inevitably looks weaker downlane...weaker downlane to the average league bowler means weaker overall, which again usually means "i dont want that ball, i want the stronger one"...this is usually why inter-company comparisons are not done, even if both balls are shown striking from different lines, one may not be covering as many boards doing it...again to you and me thats not a bad thing, but to the avg league bowler who wants to have the biggest hooking ball possible, it makes one company look inferior than another.

When i was doing videos for all the brands, one time i had a lower to mid price ball out hooking a high end piece in a video comparison, the brand manager (who will remain nameless) said we can't show this...we cant show a $130 ball covering more lane than a $180 ball even if that is the case...

the other potential flaw with doing videos like this, is that it must be done on a flatter pattern...if you do this on the house china, usually you will blend reactions so bad you may end up throwing the same with two completely different balls

Just my two cents...good luck with the track videos mike
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www.rotogrip.com

Edited on 7/17/2009 5:18 AM

I agree with some of what is stated here. For one if you use a THS when doing a video like Rick said you get to much blend. I saw this happen when I did my rule comparision video way back when. I Hope you guys remember what I am talking about. If not I will see if I can find it on my old computer and upload it back onto the net. When I took video of the balls on THS, nothing looked good. I had the Rule outhooking the GP2 when I played in the track area. This was because with my rev rate the GP2 hit the lane and just rolled out and went straight. So I went and took the old mop down the right side of the lane for 40 feet to help give the pattern a more flat oil pattern look. Anyone who seen the video knows how it came out. I took each ball up the track area. For the most part up 8 out to 5. The next set was me throwing the balls from a somewhat iinside shot to show them all from inside. What you seen was the balls reaction from that. Then I showed each ball on its ideal line. However to do this I had to flatten out the pattern.

Now some things that help to make these videos easier, is to:
1. Make sure all the balls you are going to use have the same layout.
2. Use a THS and a flat pattern. This will show you how much a THS can blen the balls together. Yet the flat pattern will show you the true nature of the balls. I feel both are needed, to help show everyone that even if you are on THS we all have had those nights when the machine put down to much.
3. On a THS use someone close to a everyday Joe Blow bowler. On flat use the close to pro bowler. This way you get to see the more accurate bowler on the harder shot.
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tenpinspro · « **Reply #28 on:** July 18, 2009, 08:10:47 PM »

I have to respectfully disagree somewhat in regards to balls not looking any different on a THS. If one lines up "properly" to the oil line of a particular ball, only that ball will be successful or useful on it. I have done this in the past.

I could picture lining up with the GP2 and getting to the pocket for a strike (so long as there is enough oil). Power Machine could maybe hit lite but would be light majority of the time and Xception should come up even shorter in total reaction. This to me is how I show the strength of a cover and core.

Now I move right to get the Power Machine up to the pocket, GP should go high and Xception is or should still be weak to light.

Move again now for the Xception to hit pocket and both GP and Power should be high to brooklyn.

I understand what Brit is saying about certain medium pieces being able to outhook high performance pieces (in total movement) but this is due to the condition (amount of oil present) and the line played on that condition. If we just stood left (using center oil) and threw balls right (into the dry), then yes, whichever piece which can store more energy will make a more severe/violent movement once it encounters friction.

I also use the oil line or dry earlier because I also feel the majority of Joe Bowlers is more of a down and in player. Even as the percentage of "power" tweeners is growing with the newer generations of bowlers, down and in or slight swing bowlers still are in the majority. Hence my reasoning for making vids up and against an oil line vs just standing left and throwing right.

Analogy time...Let's take a racing slick/bald tire, all season, snow tire and a set of chains. We have 4 different types of friction /traction capabilities but only when it rains do we see the racing slick slip or slide. Now only in "x" amount of snow do we see the difference from an all season tire to a snow tire and then only in heavy snow or very slick conditions do we see separation between the snow tire and chains.

Okay, what this means is that not until we place each of the different types of traction we have on the "proper" surface for it to shine, we don't always necessarily see differences in their strengths to weaknesses. Again, my reasoning as to why I use the proper oil line for each piece to be able to show this separation. Hope this helps explain some...

Brit, not knocking you here bro. I feel you do a great job and even just doing what vids I used to do for Track took a lot of time and effort many don't realize. Keep up the good work....
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Kid Jete · « **Reply #29 on:** July 19, 2009, 12:54:08 AM »

What's so bad about a ball burning up and not hooking as much as a weaker piece in a video? If that happened then you did the same shoot on a flatter heavier pattern and the ball that was previously burning up came to life and outhooked the weaker piece that was now skidding too far maybe people would understand why these "hook monsters" get a bad rap from the tards that try to use them on burnt of conditions. I for one would love to see this.

six pack · « **Reply #30 on:** July 19, 2009, 08:12:00 AM »

I think it would be a good idea to shoot vid of each ball on it's intended pattern that you would use it on and then maybe compare the three on each pattern.thats basically the only way you can show the potential of each ball and compare the others to the different patterns you would encounter.

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