Post by: Jeffrevs on March 25, 2004, 06:15:06 PM
A: Testing the waters so-to-speak!
I've heard too much about the morpheous core and , to coin a phrase, curiosity has killed this cat......With what I've read on this board/site and from a recommendation from my driller, king of the mill, ....Iv'e decided to try one more company....
It's being drilled as we speak.....can't wait....
King says he's got it laid out to forgive my weaknesses (he's seen me bowl, ...if that's what you want to call it
) ....and he's been saying for a while,...Mutant, Phenom, or Animal,...."just give me a ball and let me punch it the way I want to punch it!" .....so I did....I said..."have at it!""You should really try a Track high-end piece he says".....OK!
I'll report back soon!
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JEFF
Better....much better!
Post by: Rock77 on March 26, 2004, 09:16:30 AM
But, keep in mind, their low end stuff is just as good!!
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"I am the most consistent bowler in my house....
I consistently SUCK!!"
Post by: Jeffrevs on March 26, 2004, 09:17:58 AM
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Jeff, you wont be disappointed!!
But, keep in mind, their low end stuff is just as good!!
Thanks Rock, I'm sure it is...it's just the versatility of the morpheous core that really has caught my eye........
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JEFF
Better....much better!
Post by: omegabowler on March 26, 2004, 09:30:23 AM
My unleashed is great on synthetics and is real good on my home house until the 1/3 synthetics heads go. the wood mids hold up so it's easy to shoot thru the break point.
I'm thinking of 4.5 x 0mb with some polish. I should be able to use this all three games and not fight the lanes.
This is how good the morpheus core is. I was using the unleashed. I fought the lanes all night. threw 8 opens. shot 650. the second game I open the first 3 and ran it off the sheet. I think I threw about 6 balls that should not have carried.
I know they would not have carried with V2 series. now don't get me wrong, I have shot big games with the V2's and they carry well but the messengers just don't happen in the house.I am avg 200 but I think I could avg 210 because the morpheus core just tosses the pins around a lot more so I tripped out a lot of single pins and broke up a lot of splits.
I was actually throwing the ball the poorest I have in a long while and was still + every game for the night.
I love this line!
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"deserves got nothing to do with it."
-- William Munny
Post by: Rock77 on March 26, 2004, 09:38:41 AM
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"I am the most consistent bowler in my house....
I consistently SUCK!!"
Post by: Jeffrevs on March 26, 2004, 09:45:30 AM
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JEFF
Better....much better!
Post by: Rockbowler on March 26, 2004, 10:30:37 AM
How will it be drilled? I am sure you have read the exchange about the MB near, on or past the VAL to really get the most out of this ball. I am still waiting for my spinner to play with the surface of my Animal. Hope it works for you as the jury is still out on mine.
Post by: Rock77 on March 26, 2004, 11:09:46 AM
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"I am the most consistent bowler in my house....
I consistently SUCK!!"
Post by: Jeffrevs on March 26, 2004, 11:40:25 AM
Youth league bowled on carry down crap was the condition.............threw about 1 game total.....real quick:
1200 smooth
3 x 4 3/4 mb, past val , angled out weight hole 2 1/2 inches outside of grip center. A hook set layout w/ a little continuation left in it. (King's words not mine!
)Standing 20 w/ left foot, out over 10 at the arrows to about 6 and back....
Uh oh!!!!!!!! I think I'm going to like this!
Hard to explain...it checks up early reading the mids, but doesn't stand all the way up, then sets and goes ! Great hit, and carry......Yes, release matters, ...when I came around the side a little, it definately went further and didn't check up like it did with more up-the-back release...so I saw what a lot of you have said about this ball...
My first 3 shots I said "Huhhh?" ...it barely broke as much as my Hercules drilled control with 800 compound...king of the mill says "Jeff, relax,...you DON'T have to hit this ball,...slow down, let it do the work, ..."
BOOM, BOOM, BOOM...at that point I could really see the ball working, going thru it's stages, etc....
1 game........I like what I see, so far...more to come....powerful, versatile ball so far...crap condition too, so that leads me to believe this ball might be real sick on a fresh shot!
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JEFF
Better....much better!
Edited on 3/26/2004 12:37 PM
Edited on 3/26/2004 12:39 PM
Post by: ashzero on March 26, 2004, 11:58:04 AM
Post by: tenpinspro on March 26, 2004, 12:02:12 PM
Glad to hear you like it Jeff, keep us posted.Bouwens, good luck on your new Animal as well. Feel free to ask any questions necessary, we're here to help...
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Rick Leong
Ten Pins Pro Shop
Track Pro Shop Staff
Vise Grip Staff
Post by: tenpinspro on March 26, 2004, 12:04:07 PM
Can you elaborate please? Thanks, I'm very interested..
Edit: Oops, just saw your other post. Glad to hear, I wanted to try this before having to plug and redrill. Keep us posted as well, thanks.
Edited on 3/26/2004 1:01 PM
Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on March 26, 2004, 01:16:17 PM
I know you know much of the technical stuff, but remember, when throwing this side by side with some reactive stuff, even if you have tamed down the surface a bit the reactive will hook stronger on the backend. With dry backends, I stand about 2 boards deeper with the Animal than the Retro Resurrection, when in reality it hooks much more, just not as strong off of the dry. Your 1200 smooth may take care of that though.
GOODLUCK
CARL
Post by: Jeffrevs on March 26, 2004, 01:19:42 PM
I'm very much looking forward to seeing what it does on a fresh shot!
I think that's why king went with 1200 smooth, box I still might "chuck" it too much, and 800-600 would be too much.....1200 takes the shine off, but will still allow some pop and not burn too quickly
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JEFF
Better....much better!
Edited on 3/26/2004 2:19 PM
Post by: Rock77 on March 26, 2004, 01:21:28 PM
We'll be waiting!!!
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"I am the most consistent bowler in my house....
I consistently SUCK!!"
Post by: Jeffrevs on March 26, 2004, 01:27:12 PM
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Hehehe, Jeff, i think its time you come to the Track side.....
We'll be waiting!!!
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AAHhhhhhhhhh!! Runs into a corner screaming and cowering!
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JEFF
Better....much better!
Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on March 26, 2004, 01:54:35 PM
I have thought about this, and I love the fact that you have actually dove head first into one of those Track "Hook Monsters".
You will see with this ball that they are very versatile.
Post by: Jeffrevs on March 26, 2004, 02:00:14 PM
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Jeff,
I have thought about this, and I love the fact that you have actually dove head first into one of those Track "Hook Monsters".
Well, after doing some research and talking with kotm, he really educated me on the morpheous core, and it was then that I started paying attention to the Track board re: things kotm said.....with that, I realized that although marketed as heavy oil balls, these morpheous core balls are extremely versatile because of the technical aspects of the core....so , of course they CAN be hook monsters, but kotm has told me that he could drill me 2 of these Animals, and I'd be able to cover about 90% of what I see.........and, that he could drill me one for light oil too.......
BTM said something similar........
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JEFF
Better....much better!
Edited on 3/26/2004 2:54 PM
Post by: BadShot on March 26, 2004, 02:10:16 PM
i see you munching on this ball, slightly warmed over a campfire, with some hershey bar and a couple of graham crackers . . .
good luck on your climb back to respectability . . . sigh . . .
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That which does not kill me makes me stronger . . .
Post by: Jeffrevs on March 26, 2004, 02:29:54 PM
I didn't see any faces here, so, I'm going to assume you're serious....
95% of this decision is based upon a recommendation from MY driller who is basically a genious.
And, I'm trying a ball .....if this makes me un-kewl....oh well....
deeeeep sigh.........
by the way who is "dissapointed" ?
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JEFF
Better....much better!
Post by: BadShot on March 26, 2004, 02:33:09 PM
above is the life cycle of you and your ball . . . happy to disbelief . . . and ultimitely BALL DEATH!!!
go get em' tiger . . . heh heh
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That which does not kill me makes me stronger . . .
Post by: Jeffrevs on March 26, 2004, 02:36:12 PM
People said Storm stuff was going to die, .....mine didn't ,....my old Super Power is still being used by my brother....but have 500- games on it easily....
I hope it doesn't die on me, but I'll just be diligent in my cleaning as I've always been and hope for the best.........
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JEFF
Better....much better!
Post by: BadShot on March 26, 2004, 02:43:39 PM
all of my columbia stuff has been great, and i have a good buddy with over two thousand games on his rock on . . . and it's still awesome.
only noticeable ball death i've had is with ebonite equipment . . . but as we well know . . . everyone's different!!!
good luck with your animal!!! i didn't mean to rain on your parade, just present a little of my unique and often misunderstood wit . . .
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That which does not kill me makes me stronger . . .
Post by: Jeffrevs on March 26, 2004, 02:48:19 PM
You got me!--------------------
JEFF
Better....much better!
Post by: Rock77 on March 26, 2004, 04:15:33 PM
He's just jealous that you are one of the few who have finally made a smart decision in purchasing equipment!!!
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"I am the most consistent bowler in my house....
I consistently SUCK!!"
Post by: omegabowler on March 26, 2004, 04:21:37 PM
Just rolled 3 full games and 3 half games with it today.
If I don't soot 700+ the last 4 weeks of the season I really Suck!
I describe this ball in three words:
smooth,
readable,
and Pin crushing HIT!
Post by: bowler257628 on March 26, 2004, 06:26:14 PM
.. Anyways ive had it plugged and this ball is still a beast. It hooks the same when I first got it. Not all track stuff dies, and you shouldnt judge track on 1 ball.Quote
I guess you've had Track stuff die on you.........that's fair....and personally, I steer clear of Columbia from the stuff I've heard, but also know people who've had Rocks, Revs, etc for hundred and hundreds of games.
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bowler257628@yahoo.com
Post by: Jeffrevs on March 28, 2004, 10:04:49 AM
HOLY S#&^%@!! This is one strong ball! Never thrown a ball this strong! I need time to get used to this.........
This was at my mixed league house, heavy headed 42 foot pattern much drier 7 to the gutter. 18 ft guardian, the rest old wood. Definately a house to use a heavier oil ball.
Now, due to operator error, I didn't have a great set at all....but I blame MYSELF because I've only thrown this ball 1 game when I picked it up....I probably shouldn't have brought it last night...I'm not used to this,..well,...ANIMAL!
Anyhow, here's the skinny.....dry too fast: SPLIT, also, YES, you CAN throw this ball too wide, which I did a few times, but once again,....thats MY fault
Ball revs up nice, reads the mids fantastic and STTTRRRong arc to the hole....it was a pin devastation most of the time (when dumbazz here threw the ball right).
It was much stronger than I expected, but once again, that's my fault for not test-driving it enough, ..but still, much stronger. Remember, when I picked it up I had a super sloppy condition so it was smoother in the slop,...with a fresh shot,...HOLY Animal Batman
I learned quickly and understood when the ball would come too high, and I also knew when it would RIP the rack! Only left 2 10 pins which is good for me there, ...usually leave 4 or 5 there.......
Finishing game 3, I was further left with my feet than I've ever been at this house, and with confidence, the ball was coming back. Last night the ball would show me my mistakes,....if I missed, it was going where I threw it, but I'll say it again,....not enough PRE games with this ball........
I will throw it again tomorrow, and have it with me at league on Tues and I'll report back again.
So far, very nice, very very strong, decent length great mids and a super strong arcing back end....definately a heavier pattern ball...with my drill at least
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JEFF
Better....much better!
Post by: omegabowler on March 28, 2004, 12:01:21 PM
pin above midline?
pin from pap?
MB from pap?
pin to MB? 6 3/4"?
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"deserves got nothing to do with it."
-- William Munny
Post by: Jeffrevs on March 28, 2004, 07:08:16 PM
quote:
what was is your drilling?
pin above midline?
pin from pap?
MB from pap?
pin to MB? 6 3/4"?
1200 smooth
Pin above midline below and to the right of fingers 3" from pap, mb is 4 3/4" from pap, past val , angled out weight hole 2 1/2 inches outside of grip center. A hook set layout w/ a little continuation left in it.
....O.O
.........p
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.............mb
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JEFF
Better....much better!
Post by: omegabowler on March 28, 2004, 10:59:12 PM
don't worry, I mis-spoke. I meant to say I want the MB on the val line. not past
It was drilled it approx 5 x 3MB with the mb turned so that it is on the val not past it. in a straight line from pin to MB,. this places the mb very low. I'm looking to see where others people TRack MB markings wind up in relation the the pin and gripline along with MB.
these cores seams to get a lot of different reactions and I belive the core position is very important.
5 x 3 could place the pin 4" above midline and then the MB can be on Val or Not.
because 5 x 3 can mean anything. my core can be standing up more if the pin is 4" above grip line, than some one who has his 1" above. yet both of our MB can be left of the Val line.
if you think about the geometry of it. draw one circle based on the pin 5".
now draw a circle off the MB 3". where they intersect will be my pap location base on 5x3. now I need to know the pin above midline. and the PAP.
along with knowing for sure the MB is 6-3/4 I can get a real good picture of the core position in my mind relative to PAP at least. so his layout may be a tall core layout. and if we have different PAP's Mine may stand up more and I will not Get someone else reaction.
Maybe the MB to pin is unnecessary but I just looking to for feed back So I can see if the TRack Drill charts really mean what they say.
it could be that 5 x3 is the same reaction for everyone. Just checking it all out.
BTW I have a Havoc with a 4" MB so they can be less. Track factory spins and marks the MB. so I was just checking.
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"deserves got nothing to do with it."
-- William Munny
Post by: Jeffrevs on March 29, 2004, 11:49:43 AM
Left foot start, 25, dots at 14-15, arrows at 12, out to 7-8 at the break...
By having some time with this ball, it's easier to see what it can do now and how it reacts to different releases! You see, that's easy for me to experiement with because I don't duplicate releases often !
Anyhow....once again, you CAN still throw this ball wide,...I tried, and it did NOT come back, oh well.....I wanted to test it. I also threw one that got out too early and came back at a steeper angle,...pocket 7-10! This bothers me, because it happened on Sat. night as well...........and yes,...solid pocket hits!
Usually though.....WOWZA....incredible hit and carry....I like the way it clearly changes it's path regarding your release,....smoother when hit more up the back, rolling,.....more length and pop when hit from the side a bit...
After these 4 games....(all I needed) I understand what this ball is about now and wish I would have put 3-4 games in before league on Saturday,...oh well....
Tuesday will be a nice test,....big backend AMF synthetic house....I'll try the line I used today with this ball since I start on 20 w/ the Hercules there with a tighter swing only to about 10....
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JEFF
Better....much better!
Edited on 3/29/2004 12:50 PM
Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on March 29, 2004, 12:56:27 PM
I have not had the problem of getting it too far right and not have it recover....with either of the balls I have (factory finish or Dulled down). I had that happen once, when I was at a tournament with it and there was an extreme out of bounds at 8 board. You are probably seeing that because of the 1200 smooth vs 1000 compound?? Not sure.
I love how this thing reads the difference in releases......actually just about all of the morpheous balls do so, except the Super Freak.
goodluck tomorrow
Post by: Jeffrevs on March 29, 2004, 12:58:40 PM
Thanks........keep in mind, it's not too far too soon, it's too far and too wide down at the break.....if I'm breaking at 8 at 45 feet, I can't be at 3 at 48!! See what I mean !?
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JEFF
Better....much better!
Post by: tenpinspro on April 18, 2004, 09:55:35 PM
I never get tired of hearing about scores and cashers like this, it really makes me (and others I'm sure) feel good about what we're trying to do out here on BR and that we're actually helping to some degree. Now I just need you guys to move out here to California and do that here for my shop...lol. Keep up the good work!
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Rick Leong
Ten Pins Pro Shop
Track Pro Shop Staff
Vise Grip Staff
Post by: Rev_O on April 18, 2004, 11:27:49 PM
final week today, only shot 745
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Rev-O
"I only have 3 boards to work with, and they all have arrows on them!!"