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Equipment Boards => Track => Topic started by: kidlost2000 on January 24, 2013, 07:18:36 PM
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Typically the standard U.S. releases were the 3, 5, 7, and 9 series with the 6 and 8 being special editions. Noticed the 811a is a SE but the 811c/t is not. Are they doing away with SE or no longer considering the 6 and 8 series as the only ones to be SE? As in they could start making 3, 5, 7, or 9s an SE?
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I honestly do not know the answer, but i think when they stop doing the 811A, they wont produce it again, just like the 607A.. I'm sure they could make a Special Edition with any of the bowling balls they have...
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What made them special, I believe, was that both the 811A and 607A has cores from older successful balls from track. I was told that the 607A was the Track Synergy core with an more aggressive cover and i believe the 811 was from the rising series. Dont quote me on which balls because im not 100% sure but they were previously successful ball cores.
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The 607a core is no where close to the synergy core which no longer meets USBC core specs rules because the diff is .070. Same for the 811a core not being the Rising core. My understanding was the 607awas an accident that the staff really liked and ended up as a Special Edition. The 811 is the turbo legion 2 core used in the 912 only very very slightly modified.
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Notice, the 607A SE came out first. Then the 508A (same core with a pearl cover). It was not a SE.
Then the 811A SE came out followed by the 912T (same core with a solid cover). Now, the 811C/T which is a hybrid. The 811 C/T could have been called a 912C/T. It's just marketing.
The first release is an SE, followed by modified versions that are just standard releases. They don't do special editions of special editions.
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Im not able to check at this time but if you compare the core numbers for the 607 and the 508 then the 811 vs the 912 for all weights id be curious if they are the same for both the RG DIFF and Int DIFF.
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The 811A SE, 912T & 811C/T are identical in all weights. The 611A SE and 508A differ a little.
What does that have to with it being a Special Edition or not?
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Ask Track.
I was just curious if the 811 core and 912 core were identical and they only picked a different internal diff to use in the naming system for the ball.
So instead of being an 811 and a 911 they use the int diff of a different weight ball to market it as the 912 in the naming process. Since the first number is the series, second is the int diff of the ball and then the letter is the shape.
So both 811 balls and the 912 have the same core, only different covers.
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What makes it special? Their say so... and perhaps a more limited run on the line.
It's marketing... and another word for marketing is lying!
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Again.......it's marketing. What's your point?
Special Edition, Limited Edition, 811, 912, Hybrid Coverstock, Biggest hooking ball we ever made, clean through the heads and strong off the spot, aggressive backend, angular...... Every company does it!!!!!!!!!
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607A was a Temper core.
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607 is listed as a modified legion core, and is only slightly different from the 508 and Temper in specs but not appearance.
The question is simply why isn't the 811c/t a special edition like its predecessor the 811A? Or why isn't it released as a 9 series since that is what the core has spawned into?
If you have a history of stating the 3,5,7,and 9 are the primary lines with the 6 and 8 series being special editions is that now changed? Will any release series be available as a special edition labeled ball?
Figure there was enough Track people on here one may know what was going on. Just a simple question, nothing more, nothing less.
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I like it. Would Track admit to it?
Ask Track.
I was just curious if the 811 core and 912 core were identical and they only picked a different internal diff to use in the naming system for the ball.
So instead of being an 811 and a 911 they use the int diff of a different weight ball to market it as the 912 in the naming process. Since the first number is the series, second is the int diff of the ball and then the letter is the shape.
So both 811 balls and the 912 have the same core, only different covers.
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I suspect it had a lot to do with not wanting to name a ball 911 and be accused of using that significant number as a way to sell bowling balls.
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I suspect it had a lot to do with not wanting to name a ball 911 and be accused of using that significant number as a way to sell bowling balls.
Bingo!
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Most people wouldn't notice just like they probably dont notice the core in the 912 and both 811s are the same. It is interesting how they pick and choose which int diff to use from different weights when naming a ball versus say using the int diff of the 15lb ball everytime. It seems a strange naming route to take knowing when you buy the 508a ball you actually get a 5 series ball with .07 int diff and Angular ball reaction.
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They also re-released the 505C as a special edition.
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Overseas equipment obviously doesn't apply to their naming change since the made a long production run of the Phoenix Series along with a 4 series and several other releases to include the Kinetic Energy re-release. Since there isn't many Track guys on here we may never know what makes the 811a an SE and the 811c/t not. Maybe they will start making 3, 5, 7, and 9 series SE as well.
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It's marketing......let it go.
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Hey guys, I haven't been on in a while. With work and building a house, the forums have been a back burner. Ok the reason the 6 and 8 series were special editions, was because they were going to be a line that came out maybe once every two years. Hence you haven't seen a 6 series in two years. When the 8 series came out I assume they felt that it was only going to be one ball just like the 6 series was. The 811A was a pretty big hit for Track. So with the success of the turbo legion core, track decided to put the strongest cover they could and create a 9 series homerun ball. Yes the ball would have been the 911T. The problem was they didn't want to upset anyone with 9/11 significance. This is why you have the 912T name. Now this next part is just pure speculation. Many people have assumptions about the Track 9 series line. Which most is true. I felt as though Track's best 9 series was the 920A and 916AT. The rest were just ok. Well the 912T definitely was the best. It hooked as much as you wanted a ball to hook. Now comes the 811c/t. I am assuming the reason they came out with the 811c/t was because the 8 series just sells better than the 9 series. So instead of coming out with the 912C/T, they decided to stamp it 811C/T. This in turn probably creates more sale for the company. It isn't a special edition because it is the second ball in that line within a year. I am sure if they come out with a 6 series this year it will be a special edition. I hope this answers you question. If you have any other questions feel free to ask. I will try to answer them as best as possible.
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I never realized that the 912t and 811ct had the same cores. I have the 912 and love it. I'll have to get an 811ct to ball down to when the 912t is to much.
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Yep sure does. 811C/T gives you more length than the 912T with a touch more recovery. Can't go wrong with the 912T, 811C/T and 811A. All are damn good.
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Curt knows best!
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Thanks Curt. Had a good idea on the 607 and why it was a special edition, and assumed the same for the 811. When the second 8 series came out and noticed it wasn't, it seemed a bit strange. As in maybe they will continue it as a regular line.
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You're welcome. If you have any other questions, whether it is about Track or any other brand let me know.