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kidlost2000

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what makes it Special
« on: January 24, 2013, 07:18:36 PM »
Typically the standard U.S. releases were the 3, 5, 7, and 9 series with the 6 and 8 being special editions. Noticed the 811a is a SE but the 811c/t is not. Are they doing away with SE or no longer considering the 6 and 8 series as the only ones to be SE? As in they could start making 3, 5, 7, or 9s an SE?
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David Lee Yskes

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Re: what makes it Special
« Reply #1 on: January 24, 2013, 10:34:50 PM »
I honestly do not know the answer, but i think when they stop doing the 811A,  they wont produce it again, just like the 607A..    I'm sure they could make a Special Edition with any of the bowling balls they have...



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Re: what makes it Special
« Reply #2 on: January 25, 2013, 05:53:56 AM »
What made them special, I believe, was that both the 811A and 607A has cores from older successful balls from track. I was told that the 607A was the Track Synergy core with an more aggressive cover and i believe the 811 was from the rising series. Dont quote me on which balls because im not 100% sure but they were previously successful ball cores.
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Re: what makes it Special
« Reply #3 on: January 25, 2013, 07:11:46 AM »
The 607a core is no where close to the synergy core which no longer meets USBC core specs rules because the diff is .070. Same for the 811a core not being the Rising core. My understanding was the 607awas an accident that the staff really liked and ended up as a Special Edition. The 811 is the turbo legion 2 core used in the 912 only very very slightly modified.

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Re: what makes it Special
« Reply #4 on: January 25, 2013, 09:09:03 AM »
Notice, the 607A SE came out first.  Then the 508A (same core with a pearl cover).  It was not a SE.

Then the 811A SE came out followed by the 912T (same core with a solid cover).  Now, the 811C/T which is a hybrid.  The 811 C/T could have been called a 912C/T.  It's just marketing.

The first release is an SE, followed by modified versions that are just standard releases.  They don't do special editions of special editions.

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kidlost2000

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Re: what makes it Special
« Reply #5 on: January 25, 2013, 09:17:34 AM »
Im not able to check at this time but if you compare the core numbers for the 607 and the 508 then the 811 vs the 912 for all weights id be curious if they are the same for both the RG DIFF and Int DIFF.
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Re: what makes it Special
« Reply #6 on: January 25, 2013, 10:27:29 AM »
The 811A SE, 912T & 811C/T are identical in all weights.  The 611A SE and 508A differ a little.

What does that have to with it being a Special Edition or not?
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kidlost2000

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Re: what makes it Special
« Reply #7 on: January 25, 2013, 11:06:16 AM »
Ask Track.

I was just curious if the 811 core and 912 core were identical and they only picked a different internal diff to use in the naming system for the ball.

So instead of being an 811 and a 911 they use the int diff of a different weight ball to market it as the 912 in the naming process. Since the first number is the series, second is the int diff of the ball and then the letter is the shape.

So both 811 balls and the 912 have the same core, only different covers.
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J_Mac

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Re: what makes it Special
« Reply #8 on: January 25, 2013, 11:22:46 AM »
What makes it special? Their say so... and perhaps a more limited run on the line.

It's marketing... and another word for marketing is lying!
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Re: what makes it Special
« Reply #9 on: January 25, 2013, 11:24:27 AM »
Again.......it's marketing.  What's your point?

Special Edition, Limited Edition, 811, 912, Hybrid Coverstock, Biggest hooking ball we ever made, clean through the heads and strong off the spot, aggressive backend, angular......  Every company does it!!!!!!!!!
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Re: what makes it Special
« Reply #10 on: January 25, 2013, 12:21:42 PM »
607A was a Temper core.
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kidlost2000

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Re: what makes it Special
« Reply #11 on: January 25, 2013, 01:21:42 PM »
607 is listed as a modified legion core, and is only slightly different from the 508 and Temper in specs but not appearance.

The question is simply why isn't the 811c/t a special edition like its predecessor the 811A? Or why isn't it released as a 9 series since that is what the core has spawned into?

If you have a history of stating the 3,5,7,and 9 are the primary lines with the 6 and 8 series being special editions is that now changed? Will any release series be available as a special edition labeled ball?

Figure there was enough Track people on here one may know what was going on. Just a simple question, nothing more, nothing less.
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Re: what makes it Special
« Reply #12 on: January 25, 2013, 02:33:35 PM »
I like it. Would Track admit to it?

Quote from: kidlost2000 on January 25, 2013, 11:06:16 AM
Ask Track.

I was just curious if the 811 core and 912 core were identical and they only picked a different internal diff to use in the naming system for the ball.

So instead of being an 811 and a 911 they use the int diff of a different weight ball to market it as the 912 in the naming process. Since the first number is the series, second is the int diff of the ball and then the letter is the shape.

So both 811 balls and the 912 have the same core, only different covers.
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Re: what makes it Special
« Reply #13 on: January 25, 2013, 02:45:34 PM »
I suspect it had a lot to do with not wanting to name a ball 911 and be accused of using that significant number as a way to sell bowling balls.
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Re: what makes it Special
« Reply #14 on: January 25, 2013, 10:58:06 PM »
Quote from: bambalam on January 25, 2013, 02:45:34 PM
I suspect it had a lot to do with not wanting to name a ball 911 and be accused of using that significant number as a way to sell bowling balls.

Bingo!
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