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Grayson · « **on:** July 17, 2008, 05:40:17 AM »

ok folks.... I have my Machine and I love it! But recently it starts skidding more down the lane... and breaking harder...

on both centers here.

ok.

So I have two possibilities

1: my release has got stronger with my training
2: the ball has become shiny with time.

I think both is the case cause my other balls also got more lenght with more backend... But the Machine is showing the most and is also shiny...
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Dan Belcher · « **Reply #1 on:** July 17, 2008, 01:46:24 PM »

When is the last time you refreshed the surface? The surface on the coverstock will definately change the more you bowl with it. Basically, dull equipment will want to push longer, shiny equipment will want to roll earlier.

Grayson · « **Reply #2 on:** July 17, 2008, 01:47:37 PM »

well it si not more than 100 games since the last time
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NJStroker · « **Reply #3 on:** July 17, 2008, 01:48:38 PM »

u should actually do it like every 30 games IMO
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Grayson · « **Reply #4 on:** July 17, 2008, 01:49:54 PM »

quote:
u should actually do it like every 30 games IMO
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Im so glad people are brainwashed to think that TRACK sucks. And its even funnier when im carrying with my TRACK ball and they're going flat ten with their BRUNSWICK ball.

really? mhh... will do it on weekend.

Thanks.
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louf846 · « **Reply #5 on:** July 17, 2008, 01:53:48 PM »

The ball shining fairy snuck in your bag and applied some polish to the ball! Just kidding, in all likelihood, the ball is absorbing some oil and the finis you had on it is getting smoother as well. If you had it at 500, over time that might smooth out some. If you like the new reaction, great! If you want it to be like before, clean the ball after each use and then every week or so adjust the surface back to the grit you like with an abralon pad or scotch brite.
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RSalas · « **Reply #6 on:** July 17, 2008, 02:23:51 PM »

quote:
Basically, dull equipment will want to push longer, shiny equipment will want to roll earlier.

Really? I always thought it was the other way around, but I guess that's why I'm a league hack.

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NJStroker · « **Reply #7 on:** July 17, 2008, 02:25:29 PM »

nah BC he means after using it. the polish goes away and the dull surface's gets polished up haha.
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Grayson · « **Reply #8 on:** July 18, 2008, 05:56:05 AM »

that'S what I know.... polished balls become duller and rolling earlier with time while dull balls get more shiny with play and skid more... BUT:

the Machine is so hard... I can hardly imagine the coverstock change that fast.... and am getting the crazy idea it is the upper particle layer that might have worn off making the ball skid more and behave more like a pearl
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charlest · « **Reply #9 on:** July 18, 2008, 07:14:25 AM »

Grayson,

I thought you folks in Europe saw as little oil as we do on the East coast?

AS others have already said, may I offer back-up? With dull or matte finish balls, you really need to clean the balls after using and BEFORE putting them back in the bag. Once you put them in the bag, it's too late. The balls will absorb that oil.

It is also strongly suggested that you use a strong deep cleaner like Clean and Dull, every 25 - 40 games at home to extract some of the oil from just beneath the surface. This oil is not gotten to by your every day cleaner, which should clean the surface oil away.

If you're getting an oil shine regularly, try Clean and Dull there's virtually nothing else like it. It will remove the oil shine.

If you start getting an oil shine every time you use it, it is probably time to do the "rejuvenation" or oil extraction. Your observation of the ball's performance reduction or too long a skid are the indicators that it's TIME! A surface refresher which should be done regularly (maybe every time you do a deep cleaning) however the surface refreshing will not always work to restore a ball's performance.

Good luck.
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Grayson · « **Reply #10 on:** July 18, 2008, 08:46:39 AM »

1. I wipe off oil after each frame
2. I clean my balls before the get back into the bag
3. I do the hot water bath (which I "invented"

.. meaning I came up with the idea by myself)

4... well not really but will do it now... will take the surface to the duller state before the hot water is applied

But... I think I'll let the ball that way cause my soild particle is working.

the hook potential is for the MAchine and the C+ the same just that the Machine is going longer and then stronger than the C+

I think now that I had some time that I will try to take advantage of that lenght of the ball and the "tremendous" backend cause when the ball hit it had such a mighty impact.... wow.

the C+ is my smooth roller and the Machine my ball for the drier lanes when the C+ burns up too soon.

on the other hand the smoother MAchine was so versatile I could play it all night long... just slick lanes were not good... strange but that's how I experienced it... let it be too warm and humidity too high the ball skidded too far. That's why I got my the C+
Had one already. Great ball on med with carrydown and slick oil as it is a roller... and that ball showed a skid/snap liike behaviour, too.

And that is leading me to the point that I say... I play too strong and attacked the lanes wrong.

I'll take a pad with me and then I can test the ball and still scuff it up if needed.

The Machine was a big winner for me and I am sure it will be as soon as I am uised to it's new powers

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charlest · « **Reply #11 on:** July 18, 2008, 11:21:21 AM »

So the only step you missed was the Clean and Dull one?

If you like the late, large backend, I'd still be inclined to sand it dull, give it a hot water bath or three and then change the surface to give you the length and backend you want.

With the current way the oil will keep accumulating in the coverstock.

Good luck with whatever you decide.
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C-G ProShop-Carl · « **Reply #12 on:** July 19, 2008, 10:32:40 AM »

Is it possible that the centers are placing less oil on the lane in the off season? I do not know how bowling does overseas, but here normally less oil is applied.

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Grayson · « **Reply #13 on:** July 20, 2008, 02:56:35 PM »

did the hot water bath and the surface looks as it should be... nice and smooth.. not dull but not shiny.
came little to nothing out of the ball as , as I said, I keep my stuff clean.

Well it seems it was me plus the oil.

and no they do not change the oil pattern much. I would recognize that.

the thing is... they rebuilt the back of the lanes with the machines' cover and redoing the whole painting etc... and now that I think about it... I guess... they cleaned the lanes and backends the first tim after a couple of years

that's the reason for the flying backends I guess... in combination with me playing the ball this way.... woohoo...

Will see this week if I can repeat it

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Grayson · « **Reply #14 on:** July 21, 2008, 03:17:57 AM »

hahaha... in my search to stay behind the ball (not staying behind it was always a major flaw in my game) I accidently did exactly what is described here as the 12 o'clock release:
http://bowlingballgalaxy.com/hand-positions/in-bowling.html

omg... I accidently made my balls flip ....
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