Author Topic: Whats with the Phoenix? (Read 7076 times)

Aloarjr810 · « **on:** March 06, 2007, 12:30:48 PM »

Are they going to have it or not?
I've seen alot about it not being produced and stuff. Now I was talking with the proshop guy.
He said he got some paper from track saying they are going to produce it.

shelley · « **Reply #16 on:** March 08, 2007, 01:41:41 PM »

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we can't run and hide!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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kinda the way the NEW EBONITE DRILL SHEETS FOUND IN THE TNV SAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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they did before??
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hook in oil for most bowlers. <<<< in there box finish.
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and open a pro shop. after all>>>> your an expert in your mind.

This is the new and improved jls, now with 25% more exclamation points and question marks, but 80% fewer less-than and greater-than signs.

SH

jls · « **Reply #17 on:** March 08, 2007, 01:44:22 PM »

shelly, to much salt in your diet today?
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shelley · « **Reply #18 on:** March 08, 2007, 01:45:52 PM »

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shelly, to much salt in your diet today?

Just<<>><feeling!!!!goofy???

SH <<<<<<<

dw23 · « **Reply #19 on:** March 08, 2007, 02:14:07 PM »

I've thrown the Phoenix and the TNV. They are pretty close in reaction with the TNV being sharper and the Phoenix being earlier and smoother. I like the TNV on the house shot and the Phoenix on the tougher patterns with more oil. They are both good balls so Ebonite not making can only be attributed to not wanting competition for there recently released balls. I can totally understand that. I don't like it but I understand it.
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mrbowlingnut · « **Reply #20 on:** March 08, 2007, 02:15:52 PM »

No i am too smart to start a pro shop up, i actually make money for living something that someone of your expertise probably does not. If you half as cocky in real life as you parade around of this board, i am sure you have no customers.

I am no expert like you claim to be, what i find funny if they have a drill press and call themselves a pro shop they meaning you think they are gods to bowling and no one else knows anything. There are more worthless pro shops out there than there are guys that worth the money they are paid to drill holes in a ball.

No i am way to smart than to think if i can drill a hole in a ball, that i know everything like you claim too. So go practice drilling your holes and then plug them with something ok???

so if it makes you feel better to attack. be my guess. cause talk is cheap.
and you probably don't have the guts to put your money where your big mouth is, and open a pro shop. after all>>>> your an expert in your mind.

now back to surfing the net in your underwear while drinking coffee.

so mr high horse bowl nut case. if you think your so smart, why not open a pro shop for yourself. talk is cheap.

jls · « **Reply #21 on:** March 08, 2007, 02:44:56 PM »

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shelly, to much salt in your diet today?

Just<<>><feeling!!!!goofy???

SH <<<<<<<

I THOUGHT SO, i know your a ok type of guy.
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qstick777 · « **Reply #22 on:** March 08, 2007, 05:08:07 PM »

Wow, all this back and forth and nobody has called anybody sir yet? Something must be wrong with you guys!

I tried sitting around in my underwear surfing the net, but my boss didn't like it. He said if I wanted to do that to go home and never come back. He said if I ever did it again that he would call the cops, and the police station is only 4 blocks away.

I told him "sorry sir, notice I said sir, I didn't mean to offend anybody." He called me a geek and told me to go to Starbucks. I think he's been secretly watching my surfing habits. Did I mention that the police station is only 4 blocks away?

I wish I could get Ron to respond to my e-mails. I sent him an e-mail about all the tech documents on Ebonite's site that refer to pictures and figures, but none of them have any pictures or figures.....makes it hard to see what they are talking about!

Oh, and to make sure I stay on topic, Phil said that there were around 1500 Phoenix in stock at the time of the buyout and over 5000 orders. Ebonite canceled it. With such a low quantity available, how would you expect there to be a high demand for the ball? If nobody sees the ball, how will they know whether they want to buy it or not?
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jls · « **Reply #23 on:** March 08, 2007, 05:26:38 PM »

qstick777, you missed your calling. having watch many jay leno shows. he needs you. if there was a reality show for tv writers, you would get my 800
phone number vote.

keep up the good work.

love that part about the police station being 4 blocks away.

ps

don't mean to complain>>> but you kinda sorta forget "tiger"
now chad has feelings too you know.

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Xfest · « **Reply #24 on:** March 08, 2007, 07:28:08 PM »

If the ball was anything special, I am sure Ebonite would of released the ball.

And if it were really a great ball, I am sure Wes Malott would be throwing it.
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REVerse · « **Reply #25 on:** March 08, 2007, 07:48:19 PM »

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They are both good balls so Ebonite not making can only be attributed to not wanting competition for their recently released balls. I can totally understand that. I don't like it but I understand it.

Thought about that too -BUT- Ebonite owns Hammer. Hammer has the Black Widow and No Mercy. Both balls are as good,if not better,than any hi-performance ball from Ebonite. The competition exists. Go figure...
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qstick777 · « **Reply #26 on:** March 08, 2007, 08:52:27 PM »

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They are both good balls so Ebonite not making can only be attributed to not wanting competition for their recently released balls. I can totally understand that. I don't like it but I understand it.

Thought about that too -BUT- Ebonite owns Hammer. Hammer has the Black Widow and No Mercy. Both balls are as good,if not better,than any hi-performance ball from Ebonite. The competition exists. Go figure...
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We can speculate all we want.

Ebonite won't make the ball because:

it sucks and isn't any good;

it's so damn good that it will make anything from Ebonite and Hammer look like crap;

the core is too difficult for Ebonite to make - they don't have the equipment in Hopkinsville to make the core;

the coverstock is not something that Ebonite can reliably reproduce;

it didn't pass the drop test;

Ebonite doesn't want to submit all the paperwork to have the ball (and all other Columbia, Track, and Dyno-thane balls) approved by USBC;

somebody in Ebonite is from Arizona and had a bad experience in Phoenix once;

As a coffee drinking, internet surfing while in my underwear, Golf Channel watching, Tiger Woods Nike shoe wearing, geek, I only know one thing - Ebonite isn't making the ball!
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jls · « **Reply #27 on:** March 09, 2007, 08:28:56 AM »

heard the reason is simple, columbia buys their top coverstock's from basf.
i believe most do, ebonite may also. however ebonite does some in house tweaking to their coverstock's. where as columbia does not.
therefore it would not be the exact same coverstock on re order's. once the current made phoenix or big shots would run out. ebonite would have to use their version. thus a possible different reaction from the ball.

this could be good or bad. but if people were expecting the same, then a problem may be there.

i think if this is the reason, then ebonite is SMART for not doing this.

i am sure ebonite will in time come out with top line model balls with the track and columbia name on them, using a pure ebonite coverstock.

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newguy · « **Reply #28 on:** March 09, 2007, 08:49:23 AM »

Columbia was exclusive with BASF Ebonite has their exclusive agreements and Bruswick has theirs with Mobay (bayer)
Ebonite does not have the formulas to the existing coverstocks but could purchase it exactly as it was blended from BASF if they wanted to. They simply chose not to, they could have taken the high road on why they did not wish to launch the ball by simply stating that they purchased the brands and plan on taking a different direction regarding performance. Instead they chose to use several different excuses and directions as to why they did not want to release the balls. Performance, durability, USBC approval and on and on. NO would have been the perfect answer and one we all would have to accept.

BBR-Bill · « **Reply #29 on:** March 09, 2007, 08:56:48 AM »

What is funny to me is that people talk on here about Eboniite/Hammer coverstocks not lasting, when Ebonite/Hammer is the top brand in the country.

There is a reason the Columbia300/Track/Dyno-thane sold out. If they were selling balls and doing good then wouldn't wanted to sell off the company.

It is sad when a few people chirp in to make Columbia sound like they were making the best balls on the market. I saw two Equations that were drilled and the nugget was hit 1 3/4 inches into the ball on both balls. I have also seen this Phoenix thrown, and I also threw some shots with the ball, it was no Inferno, that is for sure.
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jls · « **Reply #30 on:** March 09, 2007, 08:59:14 AM »

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Columbia was exclusive with BASF Ebonite has their exclusive agreements and Bruswick has theirs with Mobay (bayer)
Ebonite does not have the formulas to the existing coverstocks but could purchase it exactly as it was blended from BASF if they wanted to. They simply chose not to, they could have taken the high road on why they did not wish to launch the ball by simply stating that they purchased the brands and plan on taking a different direction regarding performance. Instead they chose to use several different excuses and directions as to why they did not want to release the balls. Performance, durability, USBC approval and on and on. NO would have been the perfect answer and one we all would have to accept.

THANKYOU NEWGUY, for this info. it's always nice to hear from such a reliable and good source as yourself.
especially when on more then one occasion on this site, i have been called
the fith or third grade whatever. by the coffee drinking geeks.

all along i felt that it would not be in the best interest of ebonite to try to dupilcate or simply buy { if possible } the same coverstocks used by track and columbia.

one of the main reason's for tweaking a coverstock in house is simple. you can get what you want and it usually will cost you less money to do this.
in time i am sure ebonite will come out with top line models with the columbia and track names.

deathbloon and qstick777, you guys are not geeks. you both have a good sense of humor, therefore you cannot be geeks>>>> sorry.
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Edited on 3/12/2007 1:13 PM

Author Topic: Whats with the Phoenix? (Read 7076 times)

Aloarjr810

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