Post by: chitown on November 22, 2008, 03:59:11 AM
Post by: TWOHAND834 on November 22, 2008, 12:05:53 PM
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Post by: charlest on November 22, 2008, 12:22:41 PM
But I see no reason why simpler cores like the Heat and the Equation couldn't be used.
However, I believe the new Track team is more concerned about matching cores to their new Ebonite-sourced coverstocks. All the cores seem relatively simple and all the coverstock are all so strong.
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Post by: Mark T. Trgovac on November 23, 2008, 08:02:13 PM
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do you think Ebonite will bring back any of Tracks old cores? I would love to see the Animal core in a newer reactive coverstock.
I hope so CHI..
I got an old Ebonite Vortex Trimax I, the very first Trimax. It split on a even circumference until it met. It was a hell of a ball, Ive been trying to match the drilling with a subsitute newer Ebonite for the past five years....Nothing comes close, not the NV`s (havent tried the COMPLETE yet) or Smashtime, Raid, ect...
Anybody have any suggestions?
Earl
Edited on 11/22/2008 1:50 PM
I would try the playmaker, gamebreacker, or the pinslasher. All have the same core as the vortex however each offers a change in reaction from the differences is the covers.
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Post by: trackenny on November 23, 2008, 08:22:25 PM
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Post by: dballz on November 24, 2008, 11:31:34 AM
Post by: chitown on November 26, 2008, 12:03:52 PM
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As long as you clean and take care of the proper cleaning every ball will last. Dead ball theory does not exsist. Its dead head bowler not cleaning the ball after every use.
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Kenny Corley
Track Regional Staffer
Cleaning the ball after every use is a waste of time in my opinion. I understand wanting to get scuff marks off the ball and what not but to spend money on ball cleaner is a waste!
The only way to get the oil out of the cover is to use a revivor or hot water bath method. Both work great and will restore most of any bowling balls reaction!
I used to waste money on ball cleaner. Ball cleaner will just not xtract oil from the cover. A simple hot water bath works wonders! I would rather spend a couple min placing a ball into a bucket under my bath tub faucet and running the water for 15 min. Much cheaper than ball cleaner and works 100 times better!
Post by: trackenny on November 27, 2008, 08:53:46 PM
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Post by: Rev_O on November 27, 2008, 08:58:54 PM
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Rev-O
Post by: chitown on November 28, 2008, 07:16:30 AM
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If it is a waste of your time, then keep wasting your money buying a new ball every 3-4 months. Lets see, $6 for cleaner or $200 for a new ball, you do the math. If done after every use and with the correct stuff, it works. Ask Ron Hickland and Figs.
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Kenny Corley
Track Regional Staffer
What? Buy a new ball every 3 to 4 months? lmao!
WRONG!
I use the hot water bath method to xtract oil from the coverstock on all my equipment. I use the hot water bath method every 50 to 100 games. This method really removes oil from the coverstock unlike ball cleaner!
I spent money on ball cleaner for years and used it religously! Guess what? the bowling balls still lost reaction and the only way to get that lost reaction back was to xtract the oil from the cover! Ball cleaners do not xtract oil from the coverstocks like the HOT WATER BATH method or the use of a REVIVOR!
Keep wasting your money on ball cleaner!
Edited on 11/28/2008 8:20 AM
Post by: louf846 on November 29, 2008, 06:18:02 PM
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I wouldn't count on it. Did Ebonite aquire rights to the old Track cores in the merger? I wouldn't mind seeing a couple balls come out with the Machine core in them.
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Rev-O
I would imagine they did since the NoiZe has an old Columbia core.
The reason you will not see many "retro" weightblocks is because they were multidensity weight blocks which means they were made up of more than one part placed together. You can achieve the same core numbers using a single density block which has a much lower scrap percentage and less chance of separation or cracking after the fact which leads to less warranty issues.
You can't alter science, a seven piece weight blocks with 2.48 rg, .56 diff, and .020 int diff will have the same effect on the ball as a single density one piece block with the same core numbers.
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Post by: louf846 on November 29, 2008, 06:20:32 PM
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Louis Franzetti
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Post by: chitown on December 02, 2008, 03:48:37 PM
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The best oil extraction method is prevention. Wipe your ball with a microfiber towel between every shot and the oil that is on your ball doesn't go in your ball. Then, using a cleaner after your session before the ball goes in the bag will help as well. This won't prevent the need for any other extraction methods down the road but if you keep the cover free of oil, there is less oil to get in the pores which results in less oil to extract which increases ball life.
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Louis Franzetti
Track Regional Staff Member
WRONG!
The balls coverstock absorbs oil as it's rolling down the lane. When you get the ball from the return, oil has already been absorbed into the coverstock. Your not going to be able to prevent oil from being absorbed into the coverstock. It's not going to happen!
Ball cleaner is not going to xtract oil from the coverstock! It's just not true!
There are a couple of GREAT ways to remove oil from a coverstock and return a balls like new reaction! Bowling balls can last a really long time using oil xtraction methods!
Invest in a large bucket and some towels. Don't keep wasting money on ball cleaner!
Post by: DP3 on December 02, 2008, 03:50:15 PM
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Post by: Xfest on December 02, 2008, 04:05:15 PM
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Post by: Xcessive_Evil on December 02, 2008, 10:25:20 PM
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Acetone also dissolves the ball. Eventually the ball will hook about as much as a glass marble, plus acetone voids the warranty.
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"No eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn." Jim Morrison 1968
I agree. Not to mention it's just about as silly as putting it in the oven. I have a few balls that are about 2+ years old that I still use very often and I use the simple energizer cleaner on them. They have never been resurfaced or put in a hook-it chamber and the still hook hard.
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Does it really matter?
Post by: Aristotle on December 09, 2008, 11:02:21 AM
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Acetone also dissolves the ball. Eventually the ball will hook about as much as a glass marble, plus acetone voids the warranty.
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"No eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn." Jim Morrison 1968
I agree. Not to mention it's just about as silly as putting it in the oven. I have a few balls that are about 2+ years old that I still use very often and I use the simple energizer cleaner on them. They have never been resurfaced or put in a hook-it chamber and the still hook hard.
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Does it really matter?
Ya but you have a silly amount of hand in the ball, X. You could probably make a white dot look like a monster if you really wanted to.
Post by: KDawg77 on December 09, 2008, 11:15:49 AM
The multi-density/sectional cores from Track/Columbia are not going to be used by Ebonite because like stated above, manufacturing is a pain and there are too many problems with separation. Today's technology is about geometry and single density cores. Don't look for these cores again excpet maybe from Global900 in the future, if even that.
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Ken
Edited on 12/9/2008 12:18 PM
Post by: Guined on December 09, 2008, 11:31:34 AM
I bet he will be pretty good about cleaning his ball from now on.
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Post by: JayhawkBowling on December 10, 2008, 09:03:28 AM
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I just drilled a replacement ball for a guy that put his ball in the oven at 140° to pull the oil out. He said he got quite a bit of the oil out. Went to throw it and the ball split, the crack was about 9" long. So I sold him a Kinetic Energy, micro fiber towel, and a bottle of Energizer Cleaner.
I bet he will be pretty good about cleaning his ball from now on.
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Rick Guined
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Hello Rick
Nice tri oval drilling machine you got there
Its amazing how many people are willing to put their bowling balls into home ovens. Warm water baths seem to be a much safer method for home use to extract oil. Maybe someone needs to come up with a product to market a warm bath method system for pro shop use. Until then its just selling cleaner for league maintence and letting the bowlers know the consequences of using non approved cleaning techniques and the consequences they could lead too.
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Post by: grizfan on December 10, 2008, 09:38:08 AM
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I just drilled a replacement ball for a guy that put his ball in the oven at 140° to pull the oil out. He said he got quite a bit of the oil out. Went to throw it and the ball split, the crack was about 9" long. So I sold him a Kinetic Energy, micro fiber towel, and a bottle of Energizer Cleaner.
I bet he will be pretty good about cleaning his ball from now on.
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Rick Guined
Owner/Operator: New Millennium Proshop: http://s239.photobucket.com/albums/ff183/Guined/
Track Regional Staff Player
Vise PBA Regional Staff Player
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I agree that it will crack if you are not careful but I have been doing this for a long time. If you set it to 140 degrees, close the door and walk away while the ball gets toasted then it will break into pieces. I leave the door open and as the oil starts to come to the surface, I keep taking it out and wiping it down. The only thing that gets warm is the surface. I don't let it get too hot and it works great. It's the same thing as running it on those rejuvenator ovens as long as you don't let the ball get too hot.
Post by: chatnboy on December 10, 2008, 04:16:32 PM
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Post by: Guined on December 10, 2008, 05:54:56 PM
The machine is top notch with the addition of the Tri-Oval Jig!!!
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Post by: Traumabill on December 11, 2008, 01:54:09 PM
Post by: iamone78 on December 12, 2008, 12:10:48 AM
Post by: chitown on December 13, 2008, 07:07:53 PM
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Its amazing how many people are willing to put their bowling balls into home ovens. Warm water baths seem to be a much safer method for home use to extract oil. Maybe someone needs to come up with a product to market a warm bath method system for pro shop use. Until then its just selling cleaner for league maintainence and letting the bowlers know the consequences of using non approved cleaning techniques and the consequences they could lead too.
The rejuvenator does the job safely.
No reason to market the hot water bath method because anyone can buy a bucket and place it under their bath tub faucet. It's the simple! Place the ball into the bucket, under the bath tub faucet, turn on the hot water, let it fill the bucket and run over the top into the drain. When the hot water runs out remove the ball from the bucket and wipe off with a towel! Done! That seems pretty simple too me.
For better results sand the ball to 360 grit before placing into the bucket. Repeat the hot water bath method several times when first using this method. Repeat process every 75 games or so.
Edited on 12/18/2008 8:20 AM