Post by: hotshot187 on March 31, 2005, 04:25:31 AM
Thanks,
Doug
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Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on March 31, 2005, 12:52:24 PM
The GP2 is definately stronger. I have made mention a few times about a friend of mine having both of them, the GP2 is probably 8 boards stronger. This is not exageration. Basically the same layout and surface prep. The GP2 offered an earlier roll and more backend. His scores immediately went up with it.
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Post by: dpunky on March 31, 2005, 01:01:01 PM
It would be an easy choice...GP2. With the GP2, you could play any line in oil and it will come back hard. Plus, it is easier to maintain than the WMB (I've heard too many horror stories about the WMB to make me not want the WMB). You can get the right reaction with the GP2 by letting your Pro Shop know your ball speed and the type of reaction you are looking for.
dpunky
Post by: clintdaley on March 31, 2005, 01:28:17 PM
GP2 all the way...my 2nd one...threw 5 practice balls with it and shot 813 in league right off the press.
Clint
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Post by: hotshot187 on March 31, 2005, 01:32:03 PM
Doug
Post by: ashzero on March 31, 2005, 01:35:58 PM
gp2 would be better suited. but wmb definitely has more backend pop and carry (from what i've seen).
Post by: tenpinspro on March 31, 2005, 02:11:27 PM
I bowled against a guy a few weeks back who threw his WMB and I had my GP2. He actually had a little more turn than I do but my GP2 was still able to out hook his on the same shot. I'd honestly have to say that the GP2 is the strongest ball out on the market to date.
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Post by: hotshot187 on March 31, 2005, 11:04:47 PM
Post by: stanski on March 31, 2005, 11:29:42 PM
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Post by: BackToBasics on April 01, 2005, 08:34:12 AM
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The WMB is much more versatile in terms of layoutability and conditions playable than the gp2
Please explain this. Both are very strong assymetrical balls so they are both are going to be equally versatile in terms of layout options. I've made the GP2 go sideways on friction and also dead roll.
I don't know the exact particle loads, but assume they are the same, the GP2 has a higher RG so it can cover a wider range of oil/medium-oilys because it will not burn as quickly. I've seen quite a few WMBs in my leagues and as the heads go, the WMB can't chase the oil line because it just burns up. The GP2 recovery allows bowlers to to just follow the oil in as deep as 5th arrow. The GP2 takes a polish very well, and thus allows it to be played on mediums. I don't know how well the WMB polishes as I haven't seen any. Also, why would a ball as you say that likes straighter lines be more versatile?
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Post by: Jeffrevs on April 01, 2005, 08:55:20 AM
the "straighter lines" comment came from someone talking about a "heavy oil" situation and has been blown out of proportion......
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Post by: Brickguy221 on April 01, 2005, 10:15:38 AM
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You can't go wrong with either ball, however, I will say this: The WMB is much more versatile in terms of layoutability and conditions playable than the gp2. The gp2 is a flat out oiler,
Stanski, what you said is not true for everyone. I have the GP2 with Pin under RF 4" from PAP and MB 5" from PAP and I can play it from medium oil and on up.
It all depends on the bowlers style as to where this ball is playable. You can read my profile to see my style if you want.
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Post by: stanski on April 01, 2005, 02:31:58 PM
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You can't go wrong with either ball, however, I will say this: The WMB is much more versatile in terms of layoutability and conditions playable than the gp2. The gp2 is a flat out oiler,
Stanski, what you said is not true for everyone. I have the GP2 with Pin under RF 4" from PAP and MB 5" from PAP and I can play it from medium oil and on up.
It all depends on the bowlers style as to where this ball is playable. You can read my profile to see my style if you want.
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I'm not saying that it will not work for a certain style, I just mentioned that the ones I have seen have the most success with the ball have all been ones with higher speed/higher revs. The Wmb, however, has looked good in the hands of lower ended players, and not so good in the hands of people trying to swing the lane.
Achappy, I find the opposite to be true about the wmb. The cover on it is very unique, it is a high load particle yes, but it does not roll like many high load particles. I've seen this ball able to play on even some of the lighter patterns that I have seen BOX CONDITION. 500 grit on a lighter oil pattern even surprises me.
With the gp2, I have never seen this ball able to carry/able to play on anything less than heavy oil. The ball just looks bad when you get to on more of a medium pattern. I have never seen a gp2 that worked well for the medium houses around here.
Seems to me that many on this board (Track) are obviously biased, and seem to be very judgemental about which ball will perform your task. I think either will be a good choice, but some here have mentioned coverstock problems (which there haven't been any), not hooking enough in oil, and even exageration on how much the gp2 can improve scores. It seems that every product track comes out with is EXTREMELY praised in this forum, whereas I don't see them as any better a ball manufacturer than any other company out there.
Like I said, you can't go wrong with either ball, both will work for the condition you're looking at with the right drill pattern, surface condition, and style.
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Post by: nd300 on April 01, 2005, 02:47:11 PM
He was throwing the SnA last night on a typical house shot and tearing them up.
One shot hit so hard as to leave a 7-9 on a pocket hit. Light shots sent messengers across to remove that pesky ten pin.
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Post by: Brickguy221 on April 01, 2005, 03:16:24 PM
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With the gp2, I have never seen this ball able to carry/able to play on anything less than heavy oil. The ball just looks bad when you get to on more of a medium pattern. I have never seen a gp2 that worked well for the medium houses around here.
Strange because it works here on those conditions. Maybe what you are refering to as mediem oil is in reality, light oil.
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Seems to me that many on this board (Track) are obviously biased, and seem to be very judgemental about which ball will perform your task
It may seem that way to you, but it doesn't seem that way to me. If you want to talk about people that are biased, go to the Brunswick form and listen to all of the talk about the Brunswick balls, Brunswick Nation, and etc. As for myself, I only own one Track ball, one Storm, and two Brunswicks, so I don't "crow" Track is best, but I do support a Track ball if I see the Track ball as the better ball when comparing balls such as this case.
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Post by: BowlerKidR on April 01, 2005, 03:20:59 PM
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Post by: stanski on April 01, 2005, 03:34:30 PM
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It may seem that way to you, but it doesn't seem that way to me. If you want to talk about people that are biased, go to the Brunswick form and listen to all of the talk about the Brunswick balls, Brunswick Nation, and etc. As for myself, I only own one Track ball, one Storm, and two Brunswicks, so I don't "crow" Track is best, but I do support a Track ball if I see the Track ball as the better ball when comparing balls such as this case.
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I guess we are entitled to a difference of opinion on the gp2 versus wmb argument. I think the gp2 is better for extreme oil cases, the wmb more for medium-light to medium heavy. This is just what I have seen out of the balls.
I wasn't referring to you as to the biased track member, more excalibur, clintdaley, and tenpinspro. They will always support track products in all cases.
Maybe I just haven't seen enough polished gp2's and gp2's with angular enough drillings to say that it can be used on a more medium pattern, I have only seen gp2's in box condition.
I agree, the brunswick people are rediculous, and I try not to visit that forum.
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Post by: Brickguy221 on April 01, 2005, 06:15:28 PM
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I wasn't referring to you as to the biased track member, more excalibur, clintdaley, and tenpinspro. They will always support track products in all cases.
Stan, you are correct there and the reason is that they are Track Reps, so they stand by their company. I would and I'm sure you would also stand by the company that is sponsering you, just like BrunsRicH and Brunsbob. They both work for Brunswick, so they stand by Brunswick. (That's how I ended up with an Impulse Zone that doesn't do the job for me...lol)
I have talked to both tenspinpro and EXCALIBER a number of times about other companies balls (especially Storm) and what they think of those balls, how to drill them, and they have been really supportive to me on my questions and have never tried to get me to switch to Track. Now, on the GP2, I read a lot of peoples comments about this ball and I went to them. They didn't come to me trying to get me to buy a GP2. They told me all about this ball, the pros, the cons, how to drill it, and etc. and they were correct all the way.
I think the whole thing regardless of company, is match up. Lane 1, Brunswick, and Columbia don't match up well to me at all, whereas, Storm, Ebonite's V2 line, Track, and the AMF old Evolution line all match up to me well.
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Post by: Brian Pursel on April 01, 2005, 08:03:06 PM
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Post by: MC on April 01, 2005, 08:24:11 PM
Well said!
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Post by: Brickguy221 on April 01, 2005, 08:55:55 PM
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Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on April 01, 2005, 11:17:19 PM
I am not saying that throwing Track is going to give you better scores vs another piece of equipment for sure......I said "His scores immediately went up". And his scores have gone up. I sure wish I could get him to actually get a username and speak up on this subject. He reads these forums daily. SO SMITTY, log on and speak your piece.
I also want to comment on the being bias quote. I really like Track's equipment, but read through my reviews (there are many of them on this site), I am honest about the reaction I get out of any ball I have thrown. I do not make things up. My suggestion of the GP2 over the WMB is simply because I have seen it outperform the WMB many times over by many different styles of bowlers.
Another thing I want to comment on is the coverstock issue with the WMB. SORRY, but there are coverstock issues. Throw the ball awhile and you will notice the coverstock changes color. Coverstocks do not do this for no good reason, something is going on there. Every person that has purchased this ball from me, or uses it in my center asks me why the track area turns dark grey to nearly black after use----and then loses reaction. Others have asked me why the ball tracks up so quickly.
I can take criticism. When it comes to me suggesting a ball to a bowler I suggest the ball that I honestly feel is better----if that ball is a Track ball, great, if it isn't atleast I am giving my honest, unbiased opinion.
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Youngstown Ohio
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Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on April 02, 2005, 11:43:32 AM
Todd is the secretary of the league we are speaking of, maybe he is just rigging the numbers?
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Edited on 4/2/2005 12:42 PM
Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on April 02, 2005, 10:50:36 PM
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