Post by: BackToBasics on May 19, 2005, 02:32:22 PM
This is one strong ball but IHMO in all the right places (the midlane and backend). The midlane read is really nice. It's definately a different look than the Xception. I compared it to an Xception with the same layout except the pin was above the fingers and the extra hole was 2 1/4" below the axis. The X5.0 was easily at least 3-4 boards stronger but with more midlane. The backend is still strong. Unfortunately, this is my first target weighted ball so I don't know how much of the look is natural but the midlane and continuation was really turning heads. There was never a strong change of direction like the Xception. It just picked up in the midlane and continued from there. Carry was "exceptional"
I'll post more once I get more games on it and compare to my other equipment (i.e GP2 and Agressive).
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Post by: icetink on May 19, 2005, 10:44:40 PM
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Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on May 19, 2005, 10:50:24 PM
I have been waiting to hear from you and Rick on the reaction you guys get. The backend on the 5.0 was huge for me. I will be picking up a couple more to try some different layouts.
BTM says it has a smoother breakapoint than the Xception also, but I didn't see that.
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Post by: icetink on May 19, 2005, 10:54:47 PM
If Rick was able to loop the lane by cranking a Rule, I wonder how much more ball the 5.0 is.
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Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on May 19, 2005, 11:02:03 PM
I can do that for you bud, but those balls cannot play the same line. If I tried to play the GP2 where I played the Xception in the video it would have burned up immediately.
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Post by: icetink on May 19, 2005, 11:09:49 PM
Your vids are great, and there's no immediate need for more videos. I can't wait to see the Xception 5.0 LIVE in action, but I doubt I'll come across any staffers over the summer.
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Post by: Brickguy221 on May 19, 2005, 11:36:48 PM
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Your vids are great, and there's no immediate need for more videos. I can't wait to see the Xception 5.0 LIVE in action, but I doubt I'll come across any staffers over the summer.
Dino, same here, but I want the live action to be with the ball in my hands...lol
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Post by: shelley on May 19, 2005, 11:44:32 PM
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The vids that I really liked were the ones on the Track website that compared the Phenom to the Freak,
I wish those vids were still available.
I'd like to see Track post more of them, especially when they make "complementary" balls like the Rule and Xception or the Angular and Aggressive.SH
Post by: icetink on May 19, 2005, 11:58:58 PM
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Post by: danny524 on May 20, 2005, 02:06:51 AM
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Post by: danny524 on May 20, 2005, 02:25:59 AM
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Post by: tenpinspro on May 20, 2005, 06:26:53 AM
Pulled it out for sweepers Wed nite, first time fresh out of box so I had no clue what to expect. Drilled 4 7/8x4mb(on val), pin 1 5/8 above mid (under bridge). I drilled it very similar to my old Unleashed and after speaking to Excaliber, I decided to keep it more controlled for strong arc based on the feedback of the backend strength.
Lanes were a little on the dry side (no free hold, but backs started clean) so I had to start at about 32 hitting about 14 to 8 at the break point. It cleared very easily for me thru the fronts, started to read the mids much quicker compared to the Xception and the backend strength was strong, very strong. NOW I know why the guys were saying this, even with this layout which should have controlled it some, the backend strength was pretty impressive.
My cousin/teammate put it best as he kept saying how smooth it looked but the best way I can describe it was that it had plenty of continuation. If I touched the 1-3, they went down. Left only 4 10's all nite, 2 shots I topped (horribly) and then 2 came late when carry down appeared, whiffed 2 of them btw. Still shot 227-237-233 for a 697 (cashed 8th in sweepers), not bad for tossing it fresh out of box w/o a clue. I'll have to throw it side by side with a couple of balls to give you guys a better comparison.
So far, I like the reaction a lot and thanks to good friend Excaliber for the heads up info. Ex lays out my stuff and I lay out his so if they don't roll well, we have someone to blame...
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Post by: Buckwild on May 20, 2005, 06:46:48 AM
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Post by: BackToBasics on May 20, 2005, 09:31:25 AM
EX:
I don't know how much of the reaction was natural or because of the layout and weighthole. I wasn't expecting it to be as sharp as the Xception with the particle and stronger core. I want to try one with a 6" pin above the middle finger and the MB strong to see how well it turns the corner
I do like how much room right I get with it. I practiced on a pair that had open play on them all day so there was quite a bit of carrydown. There was a film outside around 7-8 that the Xception and Heat would squirl once it got there. Not the X5.0. It started up and turned the corner at that spot. The carry was better too because there was too much oil downlane for the Xception and the Heat. I'm heading to TNBA Nationals next week so hopefully I'll get a chance to use it more (they were hooking quite a bit last time I went)
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Post by: Sactown863 on May 20, 2005, 06:05:24 PM
Just want know what you mean by saying TARGET WEIGHTING. I have been trying to folow your progress since you made Team USA in San Deigo. You throw the ball so good and I hope we can keep getting the VIDS.
GOOD LUCK AND GOD BLESS
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Post by: charlest on May 20, 2005, 07:26:14 PM
Just read the BTM review of this ball.
THEY LOVE IT! Nothing but suprelatives.
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Post by: clintdaley on May 20, 2005, 09:18:28 PM
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Post by: BackToBasics on May 20, 2005, 10:54:03 PM
Thanks for the compliment! Were you in San Diego? I'll definately work on on trying to get some high quality vids up.
I'm very new to target weighting as I've only gathered the information 3rd hand but it's an additional tweaking method that allows the ball to lose rotation and tilt sooner by helping decrease the spin time. There's a chart that gives the exact weight hole location based on the after drilling top and side weight. I really like to either drill another Xception and tweak it or drill another X5.0 to see how much a difference this technique makes.
A search may come up with more info or you can possibly contact Precision or King of the Mill as they have lots more experience and information. Mo is scheduled to be in Detroit at the mixed doubles house so hopefully I can buy him a few drinks and milk him for info!
charlest:
I'll have to check the shop for the latest BTM as they get them early. I'm really interested in what they say about this ball.
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Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on May 21, 2005, 12:55:41 AM
I know. I have had my issue for a few days now. I keep forgetting it at work though.
They don't give it a backend reaction rating that I see out of it.
-EX-
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Youngstown Ohio
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Post by: tenpinspro on May 21, 2005, 02:14:12 AM
I have no clue what TARGET weighting is either but just reading the description of where achapppy's weight hole is, it sounds like you'd want the weight to removed from the top or near top of the core to lower the diff but since we're dealing with an asymmetrical block, now we also have to follow in line with the mass bias to make sure we're catching the denser part of that area as well, make sense?
I'm completely guessing bud but knowing how achappy and very strong handed players like to have their stuff super tame, I can see having to know the exact shape of the block and then drilling a weight hole thru the densest part of that block to decrease the differential as much as desired based on placement of the hole to the block density. That's my guess...I'll have to ask Brian and find out just how wrong I am...
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Post by: BackToBasics on May 21, 2005, 11:22:09 AM
I had a lenghty conversation with another Track staffer, John Beasley (great bowler) and he was explaining how his Xception was not reading that well while out in Vegas and Mo plugged the weighthole and target weighted it and it was night and day difference. Much better read and reaction. He does have quite a bit of tilt. I'm using it because I have lots of rotation so getting it lose it quickly without loosing hit is advantageous to me.
Hopefully I'll learn more and see how much of a tweaking tool it is.
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Turbo Grips 2-N-1 Staff
Post by: Sactown863 on May 21, 2005, 12:00:21 PM
Thanks for all the info so far and we will looking forward to more good stuff. About San Diego, I finished 26th that year. I just never got over the hill when I bowled the amateur stuff, not that I have done much in the Adults, but I have a pretty storied Junior Career. I am now an owner of a PRO SHOP in cali, just chilling in NOR-CAL. Good luck in Detroit at the Rodman.
GOOD LUCK AND GOD BLESS
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