Author Topic: 2012 Nationals Hook???? (Read 5820 times)

kidlost2000 · « **on:** March 02, 2012, 06:25:24 PM »

Any one watching some of the live streaming from Nationals in Baton Rouge?

I was surprised to see how much the lanes are hooking. I bowl next weekend and watching today both men and women playing anywhere up the right side of the lane are consistently going through the face or Brooklyn. It looks like any where near the first arrow is heavy oiled and won't recover, but any where inside of that is just clearing the first half of the lanes and then hooks strong. (face or Brooklyn) Have to say that I'm extremely surprised.

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Edited by kidlost2000 on 3/2/2012 at 8:49 PM

strikeking · « **Reply #1 on:** March 02, 2012, 06:39:05 PM »

What I saw was most men were somewhere around the 15th or 20th board going out to 10. If they missed the 10 board down lane they missed the pocket. A few were going straight down 10. The secret seems to be to hit the 10 board at the break point. The lefties were all over the place.

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Andyman3333 · « **Reply #2 on:** March 02, 2012, 07:06:18 PM »

Pretty obvious the balls are picking up the friction real early in the middle of the lane. My opinion is this is causing ball cores to migrate too soon leaving nothing for the backend of the lane if you get it to the right where there isn't a defined burn spot or track. I was suprised to see them in and around 3rd arrow in game 1. I would anticipate the great teams to learn from this and play as straight as possible in game 1 playing straight up 5-6-7. With firm speed and some surface, 2000 or so to tame the backend.

These guys are all very talented, but I didn't see any organized strategy for performance. And yet they still managed to get near 3000. Which leads me to believe that if a team attacks the lane with a decisive strategy, we'll see a nice score.

This being the first webcast, these guys didn't have the advantages of people going later who can watch this or multiple webcasts and gather info.

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tburky · « **Reply #3 on:** March 02, 2012, 07:34:02 PM »

I go next month I plan to stay as far right as I can with a defiant and/or critical theory at box finish. I may put a modern marvel in place of defiant. When I move left and ball down I have a marvel pearl and cross road with similar layouts and lightly hit with a 2000 abralon pad. I hit the cover just enough to crack the polish. From what a friend told me who is a decent bowler and who has bowled it looks like there is a lot of friction in the front when you move left.

sevenpin63 · « **Reply #4 on:** March 02, 2012, 07:46:38 PM »

When is the next squad? I would like to watch this.

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Track_Fanatic · « **Reply #5 on:** March 02, 2012, 08:28:47 PM »

Here's a link to Bowl.com where it lists the streaming.

http://bowl.com/news/newsdetails.aspx?id=12884902616

kidlost2000 · « **Reply #6 on:** March 02, 2012, 09:48:45 PM »

830pm squad has started and it is still plenty of hook. Even the guys playing in need to put some on the ball to clear the heads or it checks midlane and goes left in a hurry.

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Edited by kidlost2000 on 3/2/2012 at 8:49 PM

sevenpin63 · « **Reply #7 on:** March 02, 2012, 09:54:05 PM »

I see the same thing, allot of nose shots, and Brooklyn's.

Also I notice that the bowlers who have allot of loft are fairing better than those that lay the ball down.

kidlost2000 wrote on 3/2/2012 8:48 PM:830pm squad has started and it is still plenty of hook. Even the guys playing in need to put some on the ball to clear the heads or it checks midlane and goes left in a hurry.

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Edited by kidlost2000 on 3/2/2012 at 8:49 PM

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Edited by sevenpin63 on 3/2/2012 at 9:15 PM

kidlost2000 · « **Reply #8 on:** March 02, 2012, 11:51:55 PM »

Has me a little concerned with my ideas on where I had hoped to play the lanes. Was going for a tighter line up the boards, but even for some of the lower rev and higher speed players it appears to be very few strikes and lots of face shots and Brooklyn's when playing in that area. Even on the fresh conditions.

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tburky · « **Reply #9 on:** March 03, 2012, 12:08:28 AM »

I think most of those guys were using assymetrical equipment which may have force them to play too much angle out of the gate. It may be such a thing that weaker cores are better and use surface to get the shape you want.

Tex · « **Reply #10 on:** March 03, 2012, 12:33:08 AM »

Not too far off from making a trip across town to Arington and the ITRC. They put out the Nationals condition for practice and at a reasonable price per hour. If you live around DFW is a good opportunity. If you want to fork out some serious cash, you can get coached as well.

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riggs · « **Reply #11 on:** March 03, 2012, 05:43:39 AM »

Some thoughts here ... includes link to video archive and news release:

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Mike James · « **Reply #12 on:** March 03, 2012, 07:49:59 AM »

What i saw from the live streaming is...the best look is with something tame....problem becomes when you have to move in or change balls....its hard enough to get a good reaction and carry with one ball....but two?......both teams had their best score the 1st game then went down from there

Russell · « **Reply #13 on:** March 03, 2012, 09:26:53 AM »

I think too many people are psyching themselves out to this pattern.....

Let's think about this....

If you have ever bowled on Viper...what happens if you try to go left to right on the fresh? The ball horribly over reads the middle and hangs when you get it past the track at all. This is true of any pattern where the length is less than 40 feet and there is a decent amount of friction downlane.

If you start further right with less axis rotation and some surface, most of these patterns aren't horrible. No they aren't easy, but by going more direct and lowering your axis rotation, your misses are smaller and spares more makeable.

I watched the live stream the other day for the first game and noticed that in practice a few of the guys went more direct up the lane, then took a big step left at the end of practice. I really thought the balls that were around 5-8 at the arrows and at the breakpoint had the best looks. Anything that went away from the head pin required some pretty sharp shotmaking.

I think this will be like most years.....if you move left too fast....you will perish in team event. Too many modern bowlers think that playing "straight" is 12 to 7 and not having the breakpoint actually in front of them. This is incredibly important when bowling on a pattern where the middle hooks a lot and there is OB.

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south fl bowler · « **Reply #14 on:** March 03, 2012, 09:44:23 AM »

agree 100% with russell^^^^^

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