Author Topic: 2012 Nationals Hook???? (Read 5822 times)

kidlost2000 · « **on:** March 02, 2012, 06:25:24 PM »

Any one watching some of the live streaming from Nationals in Baton Rouge?

I was surprised to see how much the lanes are hooking. I bowl next weekend and watching today both men and women playing anywhere up the right side of the lane are consistently going through the face or Brooklyn. It looks like any where near the first arrow is heavy oiled and won't recover, but any where inside of that is just clearing the first half of the lanes and then hooks strong. (face or Brooklyn) Have to say that I'm extremely surprised.

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Edited by kidlost2000 on 3/2/2012 at 8:49 PM

mrfish · « **Reply #46 on:** March 05, 2012, 05:59:48 PM »

I have bowled on lanes set up with this shot, and tried playing up the boards. My line was straight up the 3 board with three different balls. I first used a super carbide bomb with a 2000 abralon finish. When I hit my mark, I was dead flush with good carry. When I tugged it a board, it held the pocket and when I pushed it right, I took off the 3,6,10 or worse. I also tested a solid nexxus with a 3000 abralon surface. I fared about the same as I did with the super carbide bomb, with the main difference being that the move was later as the ball got down the lane further (due to the lesser surface)before grabbing and entering the pocket. I throw a decent amount of revs and I tried to keep my speed consistently around 16.5 mph. After about 70 frames were thrown on this shot, I switched to a pin down reign of fire with a 4000 abralon surface and made a 2 and 1 move. This also resulted in a very playable line to the pocket. Instead of making a major move with the feet, this seemed to be the right move. I did throw a few shots after moving deeper with my feet about 8 boards and the results weren't very favorable. Shots that I let go of never made it back and shots that were tugged were over the top.

While I realize that the shot will not play exactly like Baton Rouge, the last three years it has played very similar and I expect this year to be the same.

Scott

mrfish · « **Reply #47 on:** March 05, 2012, 06:01:30 PM »

I forgot to point out that I also believe that working as a team is paramount to success this year. We only had five playing in the same area and it seemed to work well for us.

TWOHAND834 · « **Reply #48 on:** March 05, 2012, 06:10:18 PM »

Apparently people arent reading my entire posts. Thats okay though. Hope everyone has much success out there this year!

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Russell · « **Reply #49 on:** March 05, 2012, 09:32:21 PM »

Sorry Steve...misread your point. Wasn't trying to argue with you...

TWOHAND834 wrote on 3/5/2012 5:10 PM:Apparently people arent reading my entire posts. Thats okay though. Hope everyone has much success out there this year!

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Edited by Russell on 3/5/2012 at 8:39 PM

BigBaller · « **Reply #50 on:** March 05, 2012, 11:20:47 PM »

Maybe i will bring my Storm Natural. It is a smooth rolling ball with some pop.

So now my arsenal changes...

Nexxus drilled to arc

C-system 3.5 drilled to arc

Mutant cell pin over bridge for length

And now my Natural drilled 1:30

I am a high tracker with revs and speed, more up the back like barnes but nowhere near as good.

Obviously you were not listening to your ball...

Curt_Dupre · « **Reply #51 on:** March 06, 2012, 02:14:01 AM »

Ok guys, I bowled on the showcase lanes today at the River Center. Now many people have said that the showcase lanes hook a tad bit more overall than the regular lanes. Here is my take: Going straight is a GOOD thing to do to start. As many people are saying "don't go to weaker stuff" hasn't bowled on the pattern. Strong Assymetric cores and covers, are just too strong to stay on line unless you move in and circle it. I really see low flaring balls with solid covers, being the best look. Even bowling balls that have a lot of games on them will work. Pattern reminds me of a flatter viper pattern. Even though it is 2 feet longer than viper, it feels like the same amount of friction. You really have to wait until the oil pushes down to get some hold. I really think people will be surprise just how much the bowling ball will hook. I don't bowl until March 30, 31. As soon as I do I will post a complete story about it. Definitely go bowl on the showcase lanes. It's a good warm up.

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stopncrank · « **Reply #52 on:** March 06, 2012, 08:40:39 AM »

Kinda of where I was at too before I bowled on it just based off of what Mo said. For me it was just way too speed sensitive out there, part of that is/was my 23* of tilt and axis rotation. Add to it that I didnt know what pattern it was till I got there, and only brought asymetric stuff with me,and one of them was a Aftermath at 2000 no polish. I definitely felt after it was over I would have had a much better look with a solid symmetrical ball, more so for control than anything.

Jorge300 wrote on 3/5/2012 4:20 PM:
Stop,

Thanks for the insights.

My thoughts on it were this (and this is without getting to throw on the patten as of yet): If you followed Mo's advice and went straight up the very outside (2-3 board) and could find a shot you would automatically create a little bit of tug room. As that has the heavier concentration of oil, a slight tug would act like pointing the ball slightly to the pocket. And with so little room right, you would narrow the chances of missing right as well. Again this is just theory and not sure how it would work in reality. I think straight up 6-7-8 area will probably wind up being the best shot, but I am intriqued by Mo's take as I have come to like playing out in that area over the last few years (not at the USBC Open, just in general. I am huge fan of the Cheetah pattern, lol).

stopncrank wrote on 3/5/2012 4:00 PM:

Jorge, during warmups, I tried exactly what Mo had said, and actually the further right I moved past 7 the less hook I saw. Again totally different centers, and Baton Rouge most likely will be different, but just based off what I saw even if I had a team play with me to break em down I still would have had four more on my pair blowing up the track with Nano's, a Defiant and a Nexxus and all four of em were 4000 and lower with no polish. The best look I had was around 7 8 9 board, so if I did start outside of that I would have zero miss right, and if I tug im already in their burn.

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stopncrank · « **Reply #53 on:** March 06, 2012, 08:48:52 AM »

Curt this is pretty much spot on as to what I saw at my center as well. I only had strong asymmetric stuff with me, and they definitely forced me to open my angles up too much, too fast.

Which led me to what Ive been saying that people are gonna try to use way too much ball too early, especially straighter less rev rate players and they will pay for it.

The pattern at my center hooked a ton on the back, the problem is the stronger stuff will force you deep, and what I ran into was where folks were using those Nanos, Nexxus, and stuff blew a hole in the pattern around 10(only took about a game) and created 0 hold from inside for me with the RBC. Once it hit the friction around 10 it made it very hard to control the pocket. The Aftermath was way too aggressive to even try from deep, just way too much ball. Agree with Curt based on what I saw, folks are gonna see more hook than they think. Which is also why I beleive breaking them down is not gonna be an advantage, like Curt said creating hold might be the way to go.

Curt_Dupre wrote on 3/6/2012 1:14 AM:
Ok guys, I bowled on the showcase lanes today at the River Center. Now many people have said that the showcase lanes hook a tad bit more overall than the regular lanes. Here is my take: Going straight is a GOOD thing to do to start. As many people are saying "don't go to weaker stuff" hasn't bowled on the pattern. Strong Assymetric cores and covers, are just too strong to stay on line unless you move in and circle it. I really see low flaring balls with solid covers, being the best look. Even bowling balls that have a lot of games on them will work. Pattern reminds me of a flatter viper pattern. Even though it is 2 feet longer than viper, it feels like the same amount of friction. You really have to wait until the oil pushes down to get some hold. I really think people will be surprise just how much the bowling ball will hook. I don't bowl until March 30, 31. As soon as I do I will post a complete story about it. Definitely go bowl on the showcase lanes. It's a good warm up.

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themachine300 · « **Reply #54 on:** March 06, 2012, 10:15:21 AM »

We had a eliminator sweeper on this pattern sunday on AMF HPL's. That surface has more friction than those synthetics used at nationals, but here's my take. I pulled out a 500 grit pin down gamebreaker to burn up the outside in practice, and about 3-4 shots up the 6-7 board that ball was diving through the face. I was suprised how much they hooked early on. Anyways, my best look was with a 2000 grit pin up gamebreaker playing like 15 to 8 right from the start. Usually at nationals I don't get that deep until at least the start or middle 2nd game but the HPL's probably added some more hook. Shot played really well and just kept moving left from there. By the end of the 5th-6th game they were flying and I was in front of the ball return. Had 4 people per pair.

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Jorge300 · « **Reply #55 on:** March 06, 2012, 11:24:36 AM »

Let me start by saying Thank You to all of you who have posted your thoughts after bowling on the pattern. I know I speak for a lot when I say it is greatly appreciated.

To Stop - Take a look at 230's post....it looks like the teams from WI that killed them on Monday were very much working together. I think this shows that working as a group can lead to big things.

To Curt - We just got through with playing Viper in my PBAX league a few weeks ago. I had my best look on that pattern playing the lanes like Mo Pinel indicated he thought the shot would be at the Open, out at about 2-3 board. Did you try out that far in your session and if so what did you see?

Jorge300

Curt_Dupre · « **Reply #56 on:** March 06, 2012, 12:58:40 PM »

We did play out by 2-3. Honestly that shot is there, but you have to have the right ball in your hand. This is where I feel the low flaring balls will work best. Some of my stuff was just too strong. My friend that has a lower rev rev than me, played there for most of the practice, and had a lot of success hitting the pocket. But I really feel if you burn the spot up 5,6,7, you will have a bunch of success. This will allow the team to not get overly left. The middle won't get so choppy. Scores to cash will be low this year, but as you can tell from last night, the right teams will shoot 3400 or higher. I also see 2200 plus winning all events.

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