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2023 Nationals Thread - All Things Bowling
« on: March 08, 2023, 03:33:10 PM »
Hello fellow bowling sadists! This year's tournament is already underway, with a 3200+ out the gate.

I'm going to make two threads (for the 9 of us still on these boards) to keep a sort of timeline for the tournament. This thread will be for all things bowling related – Teams, doubles, singles, practice sessions, the Journal, the BTM, the expo center, etc. If you have anything you'd like to share, let 'er rip.

And a mighty big GOOD LUCK to all of us making the schlep to lovely Reno, NV. I look forward to seeing the Stadium again.

[Note: the other thread will be all things non-bowling related https://www.ballreviews.com/usbc-tournament/2023-nationals-thread-all-other-things/. You know, the actually fun stuff :P]
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Re: 2023 Nationals Thread - All Things Bowling
« Reply #46 on: April 29, 2023, 10:20:16 PM »
Bowled last week, twas a grind for sure. Blue Tank and Paragon were a good 1-2 punch for me. Had a good look G1 with the Blue Tank playing direct up 8, then could not carry in game 2. G3 went to Paragon, moved 4&2 right (as a lefty) and that was the right move. As a team we shot 2880, hoping to cash (in regular division) but I'm not sure that will be good enough.

D/S was a grind. Relied mostly on spare shooting and we posted an 1163. Felt like I had no strike pocket at all and just tried to keep it in play, basically between 8&10. Paragon was too responsive off the spot so had to mostly use the Tank. Hoping our score is good enough to cash with how brutal that pattern was. My doubles partner especially had a brutal teams & singles but squeaked out 600s in the doubles and in the BJ.

Singles was kind of the same story. Interestingly enough my roommate for the week and I were both 358 after 2 in singles. He bowled 208, I squeaked out a 236. Those 28 pins are the difference in being 846th right now in singles as opposed to 1584th. What I did the last game of singles is got a little bit inside of 2nd arrow and used the Paragon. Had to really be soft with the speed but not too soft. I found a 5 bagger and a clean game to finish off the tournament. I'm going to be pissed if it's 600+ to cash in singles again.

Great shooting! And thanks for the insights, svengali.  I hear S/D is tricky as could be. I fly out on Tuesday, should be a good time.
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Re: 2023 Nationals Thread - All Things Bowling
« Reply #47 on: May 07, 2023, 06:31:22 AM »
I just returned from Reno, didn't bowl great, didn't totally stink except for 2 games.

Team event 158-205-172. Used a TNT initially. My group isn't all star caliber (neither am I lol) but we did attempt to "break 'em down" in warmups. I ended up switching out of the TNT to the IQ Tour at the end of G1 which was a good move. I was erratic at the start of G1. Bowled a clean 205, then 2 tugs cost me in G3 and split both times for 172.

D & S- well again my G1 was horrible...picked the wrong ball (3D Offset Blazing Violet). I was  too far left and washed out 4 times, and a 2-8-10. 127 UGH. Moved back right with my feet, used the IQ Tour again, squared up to 10 and looked downlane at the range finder...much much better with a 219-187. Split the 1st 3 frames of Singles, ended up 162, then continued to migrate left, went back to the 3D BV and finished 214-210.

So poor ball choices and honestly a bit of nerves got me the 1st 2 games each day. Overall, I thought I hung in there and bowled way way better than the recent trips to South Point. Missed 3 makeable spares in 9 games,of course that's dumb, but not awful. D & S isn't nearly as bad as advertised IMHO...just try to stay relaxed and focus.

I missed the National Bowling Stadium- I really like it. I'm not going back to South Point next year, but will return to Baton Rouge in 2025 for my 20th National. Good luck folks!!

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Re: 2023 Nationals Thread - All Things Bowling
« Reply #48 on: May 08, 2023, 09:34:18 PM »
Well I am back from Reno, and it was as Nationals-y as one could imagine.

To start, I had to cut my trip short due to a family medical situation, but thankfully it stabilized and I was able to go. I flew in on Thursday night, bowled Teams on Friday at 14:00 and minors on Saturday at 10:30.

Teams
Teams felt really familiar, just with less crisp backends than in the last few years. I started game 1 with a Hustle PBR at 1k with a touch of lane shine, laying it down around 10/11, looking at 7/8, and probably hitting 6/7 down near the tracer. That lasted an entire game, actually. For game 2, I moved in and the PBR didn't have enough giddy up, so I switched to a Zen Soul at 3k, and was laying it down around 15, targeting 9 at at the arrows, looking to hit 8/9 down lane. I had to move a few boards during game 2, but it held up for the most part. Then during game 3, I found myself behind the changes. I'd go double split, double split - it was clockwork in game 3. We broke them down really well, I just couldn't quite get the ball to consistently relax in the back part of the lane. I saw smooth reads then violent reads, and I'm not quite sure what else I would have done.

I shot 212, 190, 162 in teams, and our team shot 2995. Between some missed makeables and a few 8 and 9 pins, I'd say we collectively left at least 100 pins out there. Teams is extremely gettable this season.

Minors
Minors felt different this season, quite a bit so. I heard from my teammates that bowled the Journal that there was a speed bump and that they were touchy as could be downlane. So when I got to S/D, I was surprised to see lazy backends. I tried a few balls during practice, and wound up starting game 1 with the Hustle PBR standing on 8, looking at 6/7, and just keeping it straight on line. The ball had enough surface to read and sit, which seemed to be a safe play given what else was happening out there. This line stayed there for a game and change, actually.

Once they changed, that first transition confused me to no end. It was a slow and gross transition. The backends felt a little tighter, so I balled up and tried a Track Stealth at 1500, and it was surprisingly over/under. I just could not get that ball to do the right thing. I tried this ball everywhere between 5 and 13 - nothing good. Game 2 stunk.

For game 3, I switched to my Zen Soul and had to keep my hand soft to get it to read well, and I had a good look for a while. I started game 3 with the Zen Soul laying it down around 13, looking at 8/9, and trying to hit 6/7 downlane. I finished the game 17-11-8/9. This was a solid game.

For game 4, I got lost again. I found myself fishing, move left two, then back right 2, then left 2, then back right 2. Nothing wanted to stay consistent, and the other 3 bowlers on my pair saw something similar. Game 4 was a stinker too.

For game 5, I balled up to a Reality Check at 3k - I was hoping the stronger cover and core would at least give me consistency, and it sure did. It also put me on a small island, since I was able to start getting in. I started game 5 laying it down around 20, looking at 12, trying to hit 10 downlane. What was cool is that I had probably 1 or 2 boards miss room to the right, and maybe a little bit of miss room to the left.

This line stayed pretty consistent during game 6, as I only had to move 4 boards over the last 2 games, and kept targeting the range finder down lane. The Reality Check was a great ball for me, and I'm a bit bummed I didn't try it earlier in the block.

Overall, Minors felt like bowling schizophrenia. Lots of small moves back and forth, and the lanes took ages to develop.

Doubles: 198, 141, 199
Singles: 138, 219, 239

Final Thoughts
Overall, it was definitely another Nationals lol. Teams felt very familiar, and S/D felt like pure chaos. One thing I found odd is that my Reality at 2k was out of play all 9 games - it was just too much ball with that much surface. The rest were in play (Zen Soul, Reality Check, Stealth, Hustle PBR), it was just a matter of when to use them. I did find myself having to ball up the further in I got in, but that may be a result of me being able to trick the lanes for a game with a low flare ball. If I had to do it again, I'd find a ball between the PBR and Zen Soul in terms of strength - something like Hyped Solid, IQ Tour Solid, Rattler, etc. Then my first move would be a little less drastic, and then I could just hop in with the rest of the gang later in the block.

My teammates saw a lot of success with a Nova, a TNT with shine, a DNA with shine, an Exotic Gem, IQ Tour Solid, and the IQ Tour Ruby was the absolute nut in game 3 of team.

Oh, also - the settee area in the stadium is absolutely ridiculous. There's this horseshoe of seats and maybe 4-5 people can fit around it without falling into each other. And for whatever effing reason, other teams put their gear on our storage shelves? So we wound up crowding our area really badly with our bags. For a place that's dedicated to tournament bowling, and having literally years to renovate, this new design hurts the bowlers the most. I was extremely unimpressed.

Hopefully this helps those going out! Bowl well and have fun.
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Re: 2023 Nationals Thread - All Things Bowling
« Reply #49 on: May 10, 2023, 10:10:58 AM »
Thanks for the update.

I bowl next week. Cant wait to see what the left side plays like.

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Re: 2023 Nationals Thread - All Things Bowling
« Reply #50 on: May 11, 2023, 08:54:21 AM »
Thanks for the update.

I bowl next week. Cant wait to see what the left side plays like.

One of my team mates is a lefty, has a ton of revs. He had a great look on the outside line with an IQ Tour. Shot 1795, honestly should have been in the 1900s. A few splits, and missed spares hurt him. He said the patterns basically played the same on the left side.

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Re: 2023 Nationals Thread - All Things Bowling
« Reply #51 on: May 11, 2023, 09:12:01 PM »
When you have negative revs I am usually in trouble on any sport pattern.

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Re: 2023 Nationals Thread - All Things Bowling
« Reply #52 on: May 16, 2023, 01:57:17 PM »
Team event last night. Had 3 lefties (including me) on the pair. All 3 of us threw urethane. 5 total urethanes out of the 10 bowlers.

The 3 lefties were the 3 high sets on the pair. High man had 609, second was 586, and I was third with 534.

Had 3 opens in game 1 and game 2. All 6 were makeables and should have been covered. Clean final game for 213.

Doubles and singles and the BJ later today. We shall see what happens.

One more thing....only brought 4 balls (2 double totes). Southwest "lost" one of my totes. So only have 2 balls, one of which is my urethane.

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Re: 2023 Nationals Thread - All Things Bowling
« Reply #53 on: May 16, 2023, 02:11:19 PM »
Team event last night. Had 3 lefties (including me) on the pair. All 3 of us threw urethane. 5 total urethanes out of the 10 bowlers.

The 3 lefties were the 3 high sets on the pair. High man had 609, second was 586, and I was third with 534.

Had 3 opens in game 1 and game 2. All 6 were makeables and should have been covered. Clean final game for 213.

Doubles and singles and the BJ later today. We shall see what happens.

One more thing....only brought 4 balls (2 double totes). Southwest "lost" one of my totes. So only have 2 balls, one of which is my urethane.


Sorry to hear about the lost bowling balls. SW Airlines has really bottomed out lately, and the USBC's Bowling Ball Express is extortion. Getting your stuff to the tournament has become a true pain-in-the-bleep for us bowlers.

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Re: 2023 Nationals Thread - All Things Bowling
« Reply #54 on: May 17, 2023, 12:16:48 AM »

How are the subs boards looking? Are teams seeing plenty use of them?

I ask, because my travel league is having their sweepers at Coconut Bowl in Sparks the last weekend of July, and I'm looking at making a weekend out of it and hitting up the subs board to see if a team is missing a spot, and possibly bowling singles.

Any insights?

BL.

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Re: 2023 Nationals Thread - All Things Bowling
« Reply #55 on: May 17, 2023, 08:11:27 AM »

How are the subs boards looking? Are teams seeing plenty use of them?

I ask, because my travel league is having their sweepers at Coconut Bowl in Sparks the last weekend of July, and I'm looking at making a weekend out of it and hitting up the subs board to see if a team is missing a spot, and possibly bowling singles.

Any insights?

BL.


Hey BL, for what it's worth, our group needed to find a few subs the weekend we went (early May). It might be worth putting your name out there now and seeing if you get any bites. Good luck if ya get picked up!
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Re: 2023 Nationals Thread - All Things Bowling
« Reply #56 on: May 17, 2023, 02:27:23 PM »
Welp that didnt go well. 490 in doubles and 520 something in singles. Had 400 for games 1 and 3 in singles. You can do the math for what I had game 2.

Also left the ever popular 3-8-9. Never tried shooting that before.

1537 for the tourney or a 171 average. My USBC Open championship average is 166 for 36 games before this year so it was another average year.

Only used the same Purple Solid Urethane Hammer all 6 games. Could have taken 1 ball this year and been fine.

Southwest did find my bag and delivered it yesterday.


The BJ was quite interesting. I was on 3-4 and they flat out hooked out of the house. Unreal how different it was between there and Doubles and Singles later on.

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Re: 2023 Nationals Thread - All Things Bowling
« Reply #57 on: May 17, 2023, 02:49:56 PM »

How are the subs boards looking? Are teams seeing plenty use of them?

I ask, because my travel league is having their sweepers at Coconut Bowl in Sparks the last weekend of July, and I'm looking at making a weekend out of it and hitting up the subs board to see if a team is missing a spot, and possibly bowling singles.

Any insights?

BL.


The online sub board was worthless for me. Sent out about 20 requests and only 3 people got back to me. That's the kind of stuff that annoys me to no end.

I ended up getting two subs from the board at the stadium- pretty lucky. So hopefully you have the same luck.

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Re: 2023 Nationals Thread - All Things Bowling
« Reply #58 on: May 17, 2023, 03:48:59 PM »
Our 6th man got on the sub board for a team about 2 weeks prior to our scheduled time there. Within a week he had a team to bowl with in the same squad we were bowling in.

So it worked for him to find a team.

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Re: 2023 Nationals Thread - All Things Bowling
« Reply #59 on: May 19, 2023, 01:24:34 PM »
Milo when are your squad times? I’m getting in Sunday hoping to bowl the bj that day. We bowl events Monday and Tuesday.

We are bowling the BJ only this weekend. 12:30 and 2:30 squads. I live a "day trip" away from Reno, so we be heading back home after bowling. We don't bowl the Open until May 27th and 28th.

If you want to bowl the BJ, especially on a weekend, you might want to register on bowl.com as the premium times can fill up with walk-ins.

Hey Milo, how'd the BJI go?

Sorry for the delay on this. In a few words, it sucked.  ;D


But it did show me what I needed to do instead of my original plans. Watching others bowl D/S after we bowled the BJ, it seems to play a little softer in the actual event.


Why? I have a theory that some people will disagree with, but here it is: The BJ lanes are only oiled with the D/S pattern. The rest of the stadium get both patterns daily, so I feel there has to be some kind of memory/carry-over or whatever you want to call it that keeps the backends in the event from being so touchy. The pattern is scoreable, but you really have to pay attention every shot.


One thing I would like to see with the BJ is make it six games instead of three. Let us see what the transition to single is going to be like. With only three, you don't get the idea of what games 5 and 6 will do.



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Re: 2023 Nationals Thread - All Things Bowling
« Reply #60 on: May 19, 2023, 07:16:30 PM »



But it did show me what I needed to do instead of my original plans. Watching others bowl D/S after we bowled the BJ, it seems to play a little softer in the actual event.

Why? I have a theory that some people will disagree with, but here it is: The BJ lanes are only oiled with the D/S pattern. The rest of the stadium get both patterns daily, so I feel there has to be some kind of memory/carry-over or whatever you want to call it that keeps the backends in the event from being so touchy. The pattern is scoreable, but you really have to pay attention every shot.



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