Author Topic: 3720! (Read 17683 times)

themagician · « **on:** June 23, 2014, 08:31:30 PM »

Ted Pritts, Anthony Lavery-Spahr, Jimmy McMartin, Xeno Garcia and Pete Thomas' team just shot 3720 in team at the Open Championships.

batbowler · « **Reply #31 on:** June 26, 2014, 07:29:50 AM »

Congrats guys on awesome bowling! They are good and this is what happens when you get great bowlers that know how to break down the shot to be able to put these numbers up. Read what the winners of Eagles have said about proper lane play and breaking the shot down. These guys have bowled this event a lot of years together and finished 5th at Baton Rogue!

Steven · « **Reply #32 on:** June 26, 2014, 10:53:48 PM »

I was on the same pair with Pete Thomas for the three rounds of qualifying in the Senior Masters. The man is the real deal. I've seen few bowlers (professional or amateur) who can repeat shots with the precision he executes. His style is definitely "old school", but it shows what can be accomplished if you're able to accurately do the same thing over and over.

BowlingBallSale · « **Reply #33 on:** June 27, 2014, 07:37:24 AM »

Quote from: northface28 on June 23, 2014, 10:20:56 PM

Quote from: Impending Doom on June 23, 2014, 09:21:36 PM
They must be easy this year!

*totally sarcastic*

No, they all used 4,000 grit bowling balls and USBC made an exception and re-oiled after every shot to ensure the integrity of the shot.

I love this-- ^^^^^^^

I wonder how long it took them to bowl those three games, with the lanes being "re-oiled" after every frame, or was it shot?

People that are complaining about the scores just don't understand the game, scoring, team play, lane play, and bowling in general. These guys WORKED on their game, as a team, a bunch. They have bowled together at Nationals various times, and they mentioned how much they practiced together on this pattern leading up to the team event. They did it-- it was their night, and people that cannot (won't?) accept that simply don't understand this accomplishment.

3720 on a sport condition is AMAZING; 3720 on a THS is an AWESOME night, and to do that at Nationals is quite a feat. Personally, I'm happy for them; no matter what a person accomplishes (in this case, team)-- someone will always "hate"

thirtyclean · « **Reply #34 on:** June 27, 2014, 11:29:57 AM »

What it all comes down to is getting 5 bowlers that understand lane play, especially at the Nationals, and put the game plan together, practice, and then execute. Its no longer a secret what pattern is out there, what lane conditioners are used, and what equipment is working there (there also is plenty of video how people are attacking the lanes !). I also know some of those guys are in the pro shop biz, which helps, being technically savy in that aspect. It takes lots of discipline to execute the plan, break them down together, and move together, and watch each others reaction. Congrats to them, it is amazing and they deserve the all of the fanfare that they are receiving.
Way to go guys !

TDC57 · « **Reply #35 on:** June 28, 2014, 01:57:52 AM »

So it means breaking down the by ten guys so that you make the shot easier. A lot like a THS right from the start?

Jorge300 · « **Reply #36 on:** June 30, 2014, 02:42:51 PM »

Wrong, you can break the lanes down to make them easier, but it not like a THS. Stop trying to diminish what these gentlemen accomplished. No matter how much you work together or break them down, you will not make a Sport compliant pattern like a THS. You can make them easier than by not working together....but it will never be as easy as a THS pattern.

Quote from: TDC57 on June 28, 2014, 01:57:52 AM

So it means breaking down the by ten guys so that you make the shot easier. A lot like a THS right from the start?

Dave81644 · « **Reply #37 on:** June 30, 2014, 10:50:46 PM »

if broken down properly, those guys can make it "look" like a house shot
because they are that good, you still have to repeat shots.
they may have created some friction outside, but its still a flatter sport compliant pattern
no easy task what-so-ever.
Hats off to these guys, remarkable performance

TDC57 · « **Reply #38 on:** July 02, 2014, 01:39:37 AM »

Jorge, not saying any of these guys are not great bowlers but the fact is that the lanes are broken down by two teams to make them easier. Why? To shoot high scores! THS are already broken down to have high scores. Purists should be just as outraged at either lane conditions. You do not shoot 3720 on a tough shot. Just like you do not shoot 900 on a tough shot.

Jorge300 · « **Reply #39 on:** July 02, 2014, 09:28:48 AM »

You may not being saying it outright, but you certainly imply it with comments like this. Again, it is IMPOSSIBLE to turn a Sport compliant condition into something as easy as THS. IMPOSSIBLE! No one is saying they didn't work together to make the lanes easier....but that "easier" is relative. They made they shot easier that what it would have been with people playing everywhere, they made it easier than it was to start, but they did not turn it into anything close to THS. These 5 gentlemen are great bowlers, they executed a great gameplan, and they had great execution in making their shots. End of story.

Quote from: TDC57 on July 02, 2014, 01:39:37 AM

Jorge, not saying any of these guys are not great bowlers but the fact is that the lanes are broken down by two teams to make them easier. Why? To shoot high scores! THS are already broken down to have high scores. Purists should be just as outraged at either lane conditions. You do not shoot 3720 on a tough shot. Just like you do not shoot 900 on a tough shot.

northface28 · « **Reply #40 on:** July 02, 2014, 09:44:53 AM »

Quote from: Jorge300 on July 02, 2014, 09:28:48 AM

You may not being saying it outright, but you certainly imply it with comments like this. Again, it is IMPOSSIBLE to turn a Sport compliant condition into something as easy as THS. IMPOSSIBLE! No one is saying they didn't work together to make the lanes easier....but that "easier" is relative. They made they shot easier that what it would have been with people playing everywhere, they made it easier than it was to start, but they did not turn it into anything close to THS. These 5 gentlemen are great bowlers, they executed a great gameplan, and they had great execution in making their shots. End of story.

Quote from: TDC57 on July 02, 2014, 01:39:37 AM
Jorge, not saying any of these guys are not great bowlers but the fact is that the lanes are broken down by two teams to make them easier. Why? To shoot high scores! THS are already broken down to have high scores. Purists should be just as outraged at either lane conditions. You do not shoot 3720 on a tough shot. Just like you do not shoot 900 on a tough shot.

You can trash a house shot and make it tough, especially if they are over-walled to begin with, I've seen steep wet/dry house shots that can get really ugly. Conversely, I've seen sport compliant shots with swing and hold. So its not as black and white as you make it seem.

batbowler · « **Reply #41 on:** July 02, 2014, 09:55:53 AM »

Every year the teams that breaks the shot down properly almost always win or in the top 5 teams or so! It's nearly impossible to prevent not unless you don't allow any practice. The pro's do it and it's ok? It's not possible to re-oil after practice, cause then it will become a year long tournament with all the extra time for re-oil. As was stated before about a house shot already being broken down with the free hook area, unless as stated gets played wrong from the being or during practice. It is what it is and next year we'll probably be having the same topic. I don't have a dog in the race and I don't understand why people have their panties in a wad! Did you lose a bet on the who'd win team at Nationals? Just my $.02, Bruce

milorafferty · « **Reply #42 on:** July 02, 2014, 10:10:07 AM »

Now why don't these whining crybabies just put together a team of their own and prove to the rest of us how easy it is?

Come on guys, there is a ton of money to be won with prize money and brackets. Since it's so easy to do, it would be quite profitable, right?

batbowler · « **Reply #43 on:** July 02, 2014, 10:49:50 AM »

Quote from: milorafferty on July 02, 2014, 10:10:07 AM

Now why don't these whining crybabies just put together a team of their own and prove to the rest of us how easy it is?

Come on guys, there is a ton of money to be won with prize money and brackets. Since it's so easy to do, it would be quite profitable, right?

+1
I feel the same way and I've been there and it's not that easy to get 10 guys to work together. I've seen to many times that a few will play the same, but they always go back to their comfort zone, whether it's the right/correct area or not! We're creatures of habit and they are hard habits to break! I bet the 1000's of teams that go and don't cash, tell themselves they're going to work together and break them down until they get uncomfortable and move to comfort!! Just my $.02, Bruce

TDC57 · « **Reply #44 on:** July 02, 2014, 11:04:20 AM »

milo, quit being an nitwit. You've missed the point completely. Nobody questions these are great bowlers who did a magnificent job of breaking the lanes down and scoring at a wildly high pace. The point is what is being done is blowing up the shot to make the lanes much easier to score with the help of a companion team. There isn't one purist complaining about the shooting of such a high score because it was done on a sport compliant shot, leaving out that it had been manipulated to yield such a high score by not just the team that shot the score, but with the help of other bowlers. They can throw a hissy fit if anyone shoots such a score on a THS, saying it was all the lanes, never mind that the bowlers could be just as accomplished. They won't admit that in reality both are done on lanes that in the end are similar. It's not ok to shoot a high score on lanes that were manipulated by the lane man, but it is on lanes manipulated by two teams. When you watch such a score being shot by teams at the USBC, do you see them making constant adjustments or does it look as though once the trough has been burned in they just stay there and blast the pocket? When I've watched it looks like they just stay there. I'm not saying anything is wrong with that and they deserve all the glory that comes with shooting such great scores. My problem is not with the bowlers, it's with the purists like you who show so much hypocrisy when discussing it. You can't have it both ways and as northface28 says, house shots can be rendered very tough if you have bowlers spraying all over the place.

Again, I'm not questioning the process of breaking down the lanes, I'm questioning the purists who don't see that the lanes have been manipulated to become easier, not just by the great bowlers who shoot the scores but with help from another team. If you put some league hacks on the pair with these guys, do you think 3720 gets shot? So from a purist's viewpoint are these guys just great bowlers or did manipulated lanes help them dramatically. No, I could never shoot the scores these guys did, but probably would have shot better than my average!

milorafferty · « **Reply #45 on:** July 02, 2014, 11:18:51 AM »

Quote from: TDC57 on July 02, 2014, 11:04:20 AM

milo, quit being an nitwit. You've missed the point completely. Nobody questions these are great bowlers who did a magnificent job of breaking the lanes down and scoring at a wildly high pace. The point is what is being done is blowing up the shot to make the lanes much easier to score with the help of a companion team. There isn't one purist complaining about the shooting of such a high score because it was done on a sport compliant shot, leaving out that it had been manipulated to yield such a high score by not just the team that shot the score, but with the help of other bowlers. They can throw a hissy fit if anyone shoots such a score on a THS, saying it was all the lanes, never mind that the bowlers could be just as accomplished. They won't admit that in reality both are done on lanes that in the end are similar. It's not ok to shoot a high score on lanes that were manipulated by the lane man, but it is on lanes manipulated by two teams. When you watch such a score being shot by teams at the USBC, do you see them making constant adjustments or does it look as though once the trough has been burned in they just stay there and blast the pocket? When I've watched it looks like they just stay there. I'm not saying anything is wrong with that and they deserve all the glory that comes with shooting such great scores. My problem is not with the bowlers, it's with the purists like you who show so much hypocrisy when discussing it. You can't have it both ways and as northface28 says, house shots can be rendered very tough if you have bowlers spraying all over the place.

Again, I'm not questioning the process of breaking down the lanes, I'm questioning the purists who don't see that the lanes have been manipulated to become easier, not just by the great bowlers who shoot the scores but with help from another team. If you put some league hacks on the pair with these guys, do you think 3720 gets shot? So from a purist's viewpoint are these guys just great bowlers or did manipulated lanes help them dramatically. No, I could never shoot the scores these guys did, but probably would have shot better than my average!

No I got the point exactly.

"The point is what is being done is blowing up the shot to make the lanes much easier to score with the help of a companion team."

"My problem is not with the bowlers, it's with the purists like you who show so much hypocrisy when discussing it. "

Purists like me? Really? I've been called a lot of things, but never before have I been referred to as a bowling "Purists". Thanks for the laugh.

Looks like YOU missed my point entirely. Maybe, just MAYBE, I wasn't talking about you.

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