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Nodsleinad

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5 YEAR REVIEW......
« on: June 28, 2006, 02:28:02 AM »
After bowling the ABC/USBC Nationals for 5 years i would say my personal view is mixed.  I love the tournament,the professionalism, prestige of the event and all that jazz.  The score pace is low and that leads to more competition.  Brackets can be won with 200 games or even lower.  It usually runs on time and you know what to expect.  It is not some shoot out where it will take 880 to win because some hdcp bowler comes in with a 160 avg and shoots 2100 scratch like it seems most local tournamnets are now days.

I have bowled OK and that is where the mixed feeling comes in.  I miss to many spares at USBC and usually i am really good on spares.  I hate the approaches and most do.  The host cites have been mixed feelings.  I hated Baton Rouge and Reno was not so great either but that is my own personal view only.  I liked the ease of getting around Corpus and Billings.  It would also be nice if the USBC would/could get in good with an Airline and work out some aggreement.  Several of my guys got bumped and had to drive from San Antonio, very unxpected for sure.

But like most I will keep going back because of all the stuff i bowl that is my favorite for sure.  Below I have included my stats after 5 years.  My goal is to get to 200 avg and shoot an honor score their for sure(had front 9 last year).  An eagle would be the ultimate for sure.

      USBC SCORES      
   Team   Doubles   Singles   A/E
2002   569   600   665   1834
2003   554   571   618   1743
2004   509   639   555   1703
2005   597   526   660   1783
2006   603   534   535   1672
Total   2832   2870   3033   8735
Srs Avg   566   574   606   
Gme Avg   188.80   191.33   202.20   
         
Overall Average   194.11


Feel free to add comments and share your experiences as well. - Nod
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Re: 5 YEAR REVIEW......
« Reply #1 on: June 28, 2006, 12:14:39 PM »
what Bob said...

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Re: 5 YEAR REVIEW......
« Reply #2 on: June 28, 2006, 12:31:23 PM »
{stepping up on soapbox}

I have bowled 11 Nationals now, and I think I may be done with them unless I have a friend in desparate need of a sub. Many reasons:

1. Flying with bowling balls is getting tougher and since I live in the eastern half of the country, I must either fly or have a mind-numbing drive. Host cities are posted through 2013, and NONE are east of the Mississippi! Only one tournament in this century has been east of the Mississippi! I could possibly drive to Wichita or Baton Rouge (both just over 1000 miles away) but the rest are not driveable. If you live in New England or New York, you can forget driving unless you like to go 1500+ miles, which, with current gas prices, is not logical. Don't tell me there isn't anywhere good to go in the eastern half of the country, places like Billings, Wichita, and Albuquerque are snooze city.

2. Ball weighers decide that balls are illegal at random. This has happened to me (and teammates) several times over the years. Classic example was this year, all my equipment was OK in team, one of them was 1/2 oz over (finger) in D/S. My CG is perhaps 1/8" above my centerline. This ball is NOT illegal. Of course we had the 11:30 D/S squad, so if I wanted my ball "fixed", one of the ball weighers would have to do it on that ancient upright drill press that they have. I said "no thanks", as I could just imagine how they would have destroyed the ball. I have also had someone say a ball was illegal, acted like I took it out to the booth to have it "fixed", but had nothing done to it, brought it back through and it was fine! The ball weighers definitely took money out of my pocket this year and I have seen them do the same to many other people over the years.

3. I'm sure someone will flame me for this, but the companion teams getting to bowl on the same pair needs to stop. This gives such a HUGE advantage to guys who are on teams that can work together to make the lanes significantly easier than they are for guys who are in a one-team situation or have two teams that have guys of varying styles that cannot work together to "wall" their pair. Getting two compatible teams together like this is simply not an option for me or for thousands of other bowlers who live in areas where competent bowlers are few and far between. Put these teams on 26&27 instead of 27&28 and we will have a much fairer competition in team.

4. The amount of money that USBC makes on this event is mind boggling and entry fees are going up another $30 for next year. They are taking almost 3 MILLION dollars in expense fees on about 7.5 million dollars in entry fees, it works out to about 38.5%. They are making MILLIONS more on brackets, jackpots, super brackets, 1-5-9, 30 clean, etc. More of that entry fee money needs to stay in the prize fund.

There are other minor annoyances: inconsistent approaches, sweltering temperatures, rude/ignorant score monitors, bowling at 7AM or 11:30PM, etc. I want to bowl this tournament as I am a traditional type of man and think this is the premier event in bowling. This event, as an ideal, is one that every competitive bowler would look forward to every year. The reality, though, is that this event is nothing near what it should be.

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Re: 5 YEAR REVIEW......
« Reply #3 on: June 28, 2006, 01:03:32 PM »
Another thing to add that I think is ridiculous, is that for team events, you get 10 minutes of practice.  But, before the start of the doubles event, which has half the bowlers, you get only 1 ball on each lane.  For alot of people out there, it may take them a full game just to get loose.  I agree with the assessment of the people in the scale room.  I drill my stuff a little weird since I do not use a thumb.  I actually place my so called thumb hole only 3.5 inches down and slightly to the right of my ring finger as I have a high track and this keeps me from rolling over the thumb hole.  When they weigh the balls, they do not place the ball on the scale on the imaginary line from the bridge to the thumb hole.  They act as though there really is a thumb hole located directly below the bridge, which there is not one.  But that is only my problem due to my weird way of drilling my stuff.

I also have to agree with the post of no host cities towards the east coast.  Outside of Knoxville, it seems we are having to go to the west coast/Rocky Mountain regions to bowl.  Why is the USBC having such a hard time finding more places on the eastern side of the US?  I guess we will never know.  I think they should try harder to alternate years which part of the US gets the tournament (EX:  1.  Reno   2.  Knoxville  3.  Wichita  4.  Reno  5.  Cincinnati
6.  Albuquerque  7.  Reno  8.  Louisville  9.  Denver)  

Overall, I have had good experiences at the USBC Tournament.  It is alot of fun and the ONLY tournament where I believe that what you get is what you deserve.  There are no handicaps which leads to the decline of sandbaggers stealing the pots.  I also enjoy getting to go to places and travel to places you otherwise may never go and visit.  I think the USBC can make other changes to increase interest in the tournament without having to "soften up" the shot.
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Re: 5 YEAR REVIEW......
« Reply #4 on: June 28, 2006, 01:40:07 PM »
I throw plastic straight at my spares.  I think it is a comfort level tht must be obtained.   I also have interchangeable soles shoes but i still think the synthetic approachs are just awful.  I am fine with them as far as slide etc etc etc  but i still hate em.  Knoxville was the worse for sure.

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Re: 5 YEAR REVIEW......
« Reply #5 on: June 28, 2006, 02:27:16 PM »
How could I have forgotten about the D/S practice policy? Of course part of the reason for that is so that they can make more money by people getting a photo so they can get some warm up shots. Hope nobody thinks all of that photo/video money goes to the photographer!

Bob, I thought that the host cities paid the USBC to have the privilege of hosting the event. This is what I remember and seems logical since the Chamber of Commerce and/or Tourist Bureau in the area would push for the event since all the local businesses and hotels derive great benefit from the tournament being in that area.

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Re: 5 YEAR REVIEW......
« Reply #6 on: June 28, 2006, 03:57:35 PM »
it is always amazing to me how many people still complain about the lack of tournaments in the eastern area of our country despite multiple explanations of the selection process by many.  if you want it in chicago or new york city, go speak with your convention bureau and see how far you get.  the usbc only selects from those cities that bid for the tournament.  no amount of wishing will get the tournament to atlanta or miami unless these cities want it.

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Re: 5 YEAR REVIEW......
« Reply #7 on: June 28, 2006, 04:28:53 PM »
Gosh i had to go get a full case of new glasses to hold all the whine in this post. I guess i just look forward to this tournament way too much. Yes it has slight issues but what doesn't.

1)Conditions are fair. Yes they can be manipulated by some but if you do not take advantage thats your fault. (I'm in that group of not being able to take advantage)
2)Approaches are whined about every year. This is a normalcy as the diversity of what bowlers become accustom to is huge so pleasing everyone is not an option. (Yes i have stuck badly and fallen- learned to better understand the difference of changing heels and soles)
3)Never ever have any of our guys had any issues at scales. No matter when balls are drilled we check them every year the week before we go out and make a 1/4 ounce tolerance line.
4)The host cities are boring. Yes primarily they are but you get out what you put in. I have never had a bad time when going. Hangovers do not count as well as gambling losses.
5) Travel- Probably third most whined about subject. Do your homework, thats why you have the internet. I  am from upstate NY, VT area. I have never paid more than $235 roundtrip for a flight to a nationals city. Work the sites and know when the airlines do price decreases in early spring. Hotels are a crapshoot in hole the walls like Billings. You are sleeping there not making residence.
6) You right on the practice - Equalize it between the events. One ball on each lane even in teams. They run a shift system it is not their fault you are not loose.

Sorry Nod,
5 year evaluation not as good as you averaging 190.7 Billings killed me. The only year i don't play out and the big scores came from there. Have got more consistent the last few. Still considered a work in progress as my game is not that sharp anymore.

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Re: 5 YEAR REVIEW......
« Reply #8 on: June 28, 2006, 05:37:38 PM »
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it is always amazing to me how many people still complain about the lack of tournaments in the eastern area of our country despite multiple explanations of the selection process by many.  if you want it in chicago or new york city, go speak with your convention bureau and see how far you get.  the usbc only selects from those cities that bid for the tournament.  no amount of wishing will get the tournament to atlanta or miami unless these cities want it.


That doesn't change the fact that people aren't willing to drive 10-20 hours or figure out a way to fly there with more than 2 balls.  Depending on your arrival/departure dates and tournament times, even if you ship some equipment, an extra day might be needed to make all of the arrangements.
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Re: 5 YEAR REVIEW......
« Reply #9 on: June 28, 2006, 07:30:08 PM »
Nod, good post here.  I'll chime in with my information from my 4 years at the tournament.
2006- 1796
2005- 1925
2004- 1716
2003- 1591
Avg= 195.22

I look forward to bowling this tournament each year and will continue to do so for a while.  This tournament is one of the most well run I've ever bowled in, and its about as fair as it can get.  Yes, people can complain about how teams can manipulate the lanes, but thats part of working as a TEAM.  The TEAMs that work together place higher.  I have had little problems with the approaches in my trips to nationals, but I do know of people that have issues with it.  Coming from the North and having it relatively dry, going down to Baton Rouge and Corpus Christi there is significantly more moisture in the air and tackier approaches are to be expected.  As far as locations being in the south, I like that as it offers up a better vacation spot for those coming from the North.  The next tournament I plan on driving to will be Wichita, but nothing before then.  

People like to complain that flying with equipment is a huge hassel.  I know many people want to bring 5-6 balls with them and its hard to do that flying without paying weight overages.  How many people go down there with a spouse/significant other that isn't bowling?  Have them check a 2-ball tote and pack 4 for yourself, there ya go.

As far as the scales there, well there are mixed results when going through the scales.  I had a friend this past year who had a ball that somehow had more than an ounce of extra finger weight.  The ball passed the test at home, but in CC it didn't.  The shop had to put a weighthole above the bridge to bring it back to legal as the fingerholes couldn't be drilled deeper.

That's about all I have to say about nationals, and I am looking forward to getting back to the stadium next year.
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Re: 5 YEAR REVIEW......
« Reply #10 on: June 29, 2006, 12:00:02 AM »
One more time about traveling with bowling balls - whoever takes more than 2 bowling balls and a pair of shoes on an airplane is just plain NUTS!!!

I've traveled a BUNCH on airlines, with equipment. I ALWAYS check a couple balls, and ship the rest. Yep - ship. As in Fedex Ground, UPS, etc. If you take them to a shipping center, it's gonna be expensive. Find a friend with a UPS or Fedex account and ship through them, and reimburse them. MUCH cheaper.

The airlines LOST 2 of my bowling balls on the way TO the collegiate nationals one year. Luckily, I had them in 2 separate double bags, so I still had something to throw...

But - I don't like checking them. The stragegy that works well for me is to check the BOTTOM of a 4 ball roller - then pack two - two ball totes in my luggage, and SHIP the 4 bowling balls to the hotel or the bowling center. I arrive with bags for 4, and IF the checked bags made it, a bag with 2 more, and wheels to help transport the rest.
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« Reply #11 on: June 29, 2006, 07:36:59 AM »
Use Bowlers Express. THey provide shipping right to the tournament site at a discount over using regular shipping services. Then just check or pack the empty bags, or even ship them too in a separate box. Have used them everytime I have not been able to drive and have never had a problem.
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Re: 5 YEAR REVIEW......
« Reply #12 on: June 29, 2006, 07:47:01 AM »
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Gosh i had to go get a full case of new glasses to hold all the whine in this post. I guess i just look forward to this tournament way too much. Yes it has slight issues but what doesn't.

1)Conditions are fair. Yes they can be manipulated by some but if you do not take advantage thats your fault. (I'm in that group of not being able to take advantage)
2)Approaches are whined about every year. This is a normalcy as the diversity of what bowlers become accustom to is huge so pleasing everyone is not an option. (Yes i have stuck badly and fallen- learned to better understand the difference of changing heels and soles)
3)Never ever have any of our guys had any issues at scales. No matter when balls are drilled we check them every year the week before we go out and make a 1/4 ounce tolerance line.
4)The host cities are boring. Yes primarily they are but you get out what you put in. I have never had a bad time when going. Hangovers do not count as well as gambling losses.
5) Travel- Probably third most whined about subject. Do your homework, thats why you have the internet. I  am from upstate NY, VT area. I have never paid more than $235 roundtrip for a flight to a nationals city. Work the sites and know when the airlines do price decreases in early spring. Hotels are a crapshoot in hole the walls like Billings. You are sleeping there not making residence.
6) You right on the practice - Equalize it between the events. One ball on each lane even in teams. They run a shift system it is not their fault you are not loose.

Sorry Nod,
5 year evaluation not as good as you averaging 190.7 Billings killed me. The only year i don't play out and the big scores came from there. Have got more consistent the last few. Still considered a work in progress as my game is not that sharp anymore.


Good points Lefty.  No need to apologize.  This is a free thought forum.  No opinions will be supressed (unless i disagree with them...JK)

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Re: 5 YEAR REVIEW......
« Reply #13 on: June 29, 2006, 08:33:12 AM »
I've only been to two nationals, Bilings and CC.  I plan on going to Reno next year, but my deployment schedule is still up in the air.  Only time will tell on that one.  

My only beef with the Nationals is the D/S practice.  I'm 25 and it takes me half a game or more to feel normal.  I'd like to see 5 minutes of practice.

Thats all.

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Re: 5 YEAR REVIEW......
« Reply #14 on: June 30, 2006, 01:41:57 AM »
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Gosh i had to go get a full case of new glasses to hold all the whine in this post. I guess i just look forward to this tournament way too much. Yes it has slight issues but what doesn't.

1)Conditions are fair. Yes they can be manipulated by some but if you do not take advantage thats your fault. (I'm in that group of not being able to take advantage)
I don't understand how it can be my fault that I don't live in an area with other competent bowlers that could do this? I'm not moving and giving up my high paying job just to have a better chance at nationals!
2)Approaches are whined about every year. This is a normalcy as the diversity of what bowlers become accustom to is huge so pleasing everyone is not an option. (Yes i have stuck badly and fallen- learned to better understand the difference of changing heels and soles)
Agreed that there is no way to do the approaches to satisfy all the bowlers. I do change soles and heels as needed.
3)Never ever have any of our guys had any issues at scales. No matter when balls are drilled we check them every year the week before we go out and make a 1/4 ounce tolerance line.
The particular ball in question for this year has been weighed on 3 other scales by 3 different people and all have gotten approx 1/2 oz finger, NOT 1 1/2 oz finger as I was told at Nationals. I drill my own balls and I ALWAYS check CG's before drilling to make sure they are properly marked. Some of the balls I had problems with in the past were ok in PBA regionals and on the National Tour, but mysteriously didn't pass at ABC's.
4)The host cities are boring. Yes primarily they are but you get out what you put in. I have never had a bad time when going. Hangovers do not count as well as gambling losses.
Some other posts mentioned that some of us from the eastern part of the country had unrealistic expectations in going to places like Atlanta or Chicago. I KNOW those are essentially impossible locations. It seems strange, though, that places like Syracuse, Huntsville, Mobile, Toledo, etc. haven't come up again as tournament sites. I would have to think those places would want the Nationals again, they aren't exactly tourist meccas
5) Travel- Probably third most whined about subject. Do your homework, thats why you have the internet. I  am from upstate NY, VT area. I have never paid more than $235 roundtrip for a flight to a nationals city. Work the sites and know when the airlines do price decreases in early spring. Hotels are a crapshoot in hole the walls like Billings. You are sleeping there not making residence.
All who know me know that I am very persistent in my efforts to travel as cheaply as possible, without staying in roach motels or flying red-eyes. I flew to San Antonio instead of Corpus and spent $177. I couldn't find a flight to Corpus under $290 and I looked at many sites for months. If you would like to share your knowledge of the timing of price decreases for flights in early spring, I (and many others) would appreciate that info.
6) You right on the practice - Equalize it between the events. One ball on each lane even in teams. They run a shift system it is not their fault you are not loose.
Bowling is a sport. In what other sport are you given such an inadequate warm-up time for such a prestigious event? None. I did stretches and some walking before both sessions in order to get my body more ready, but throwing a bowling ball is a very timing oriented skill and 2 shots is inadequate for 99.9% of the population. If you are in the 0.1%, congrats. I think 2 balls on each lane for both Team and D/S is fair and should keep the schedule close to on time (a little longer for D/S, shorter for Team).