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riggs

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It's El Paso in 2015
« on: September 09, 2011, 06:40:32 AM »

The 11th Frame: Update: El Paso, Texas, chosen as site of 2015 USBC Open Championships


 


USBC also makes it official that there will be fresh oil for all squads — including minor events — starting with the 2013 USBC Open Championships.   HOORAY FOR USBC!!!!!!!!!!!!!


 


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Re: It's El Paso in 2015
« Reply #16 on: September 12, 2011, 01:16:03 PM »
I too would love to know how El Paso could possibly beat Las Vegas.



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Re: It's El Paso in 2015
« Reply #17 on: September 13, 2011, 06:28:30 AM »

 It's explained in my blog on fresh oil.

 



jaydee wrote on 9/12/2011 12:19 PM:
I like the fresh oil for minors, but how are they going to work the logistics on as few as 48 lanes though in El Paso?  Squads 24/7?  78 lanes in Reno, I can see as no problem, but 48?


 


Why does the USBC seem to value gambling so high?  Does everyone need easy access to gambling, every freaking year?  Is bowling and betting that intertwined in the USBC's executives minds, that you can't possibly separate the two? 


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Re: It's El Paso in 2015
« Reply #18 on: September 13, 2011, 08:07:02 AM »

 



riggs wrote on 9/13/2011 6:28 AM:

 It's explained in my blog on fresh oil.


 






jaydee wrote on 9/12/2011 12:19 PM:

I like the fresh oil for minors, but how are they going to work the logistics on as few as 48 lanes though in El Paso?  Squads 24/7?  78 lanes in Reno, I can see as no problem, but 48?



 



Why does the USBC seem to value gambling so high?  Does everyone need easy access to gambling, every freaking year?  Is bowling and betting that intertwined in the USBC's executives minds, that you can't possibly separate the two? 


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I read that, but it assumes that the USBC would go to 150 days instead of 120 (would they really do that?), and even with the extra days, it limits entries to 12,900 teams max by my math.  You have to limit it to 43 teams per squad, because you can only run 3 minor events at 6 per pair for 86 teams.  And that's assuming you're filling every squad time from the beginning of June until mid-July in El Paso, where the average temps are in the mid-90's and easily be in the triple digits.  That's not a very attractive time of year to visit EP.  With a 120 day schedule, at 43 teams per squad, two team squads per day, max number of entries is at 10,320 the way I figure it.

 

I think the bottom line is, 48 lanes is not going to cut it, with fresh oil for every team and minor event, unless you're willing to constrain entries.  60 lanes puts you back in the game with up to a max of 14,400 teams in a 120 day schedule.
 
Edited by jaydee on 9/13/2011 at 1:12 PM

Bill Thomas

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Re: It's El Paso in 2015
« Reply #19 on: September 13, 2011, 11:48:34 AM »
I don't think they expect in their wildest dream 14,000 teams.



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Re: It's El Paso in 2015
« Reply #20 on: September 13, 2011, 01:05:32 PM »
 



Bill Thomas wrote on 9/13/2011 11:48 AM:
I don't think they expect in their wildest dream 14,000 teams.



I agree.  But estimating exactly how many teams you're going have, then building just enough lanes to have 100% utilization for entire tournament isn't a good idea in my opinion.  If someone misses their normal March slot because of too few lanes and reduction of squads for more oiling, they're not going to necessarily sign up for mid-June, especially in El Paso's 100° weather that time of year.  A lot of people will come no matter what time, what place, not everyone though...

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Re: It's El Paso in 2015
« Reply #21 on: September 13, 2011, 01:48:07 PM »
If you look at the availability calendar for Baton Rouge you will see plenty of openings for anybody that wants to go. It will only get worse going back to Reno for the following 2 years.

 

I'm skipping those, and don't see any problem getting a spot in El Paso if I decide to go there.

 

By the way, how far is it to the nearest casino?


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Re: It's El Paso in 2015
« Reply #22 on: September 14, 2011, 06:39:09 AM »
I believe the USBC did make a fatal mistake for choosing El Paso as the 2015 site. It is going to be like going to Albuquerque NM but worse. The entries will fall considerably. I cant believe Las Vegas didnt win this bid. Not only are leagues getting worse now we are going to a place that has absolutly nothing to do. I would not go Juarez Mexico as this is were the cartels are killing people on a daily basis. You have a US Army base their maybe they have some tours or something. Of those that will be going the weekends will be heavy squad times I would guess. The cost of traveling to this area is outragous now, cant wait until a few years down the road to see what we will be paying. Im not saying that the east coast is the answer but I make it feasable or equitable for everybody. The USBC might have to bite the bullet very soon to be able keep people interested in bowling this prestigious event. As it sits now I will not keep traveling these distances and paying these outragous fares to bowl.   If the economy is so bad why hasnt Orlando or any tourist city proposed to have it in their city. There are plenty of unused convention center space in Orlando. It is cheaper to fly from the west coast to Orlando than it is to El Paso. You can get Vacation deals from Disney, Universal, Sea World etc. Tell me where the deals are to EL Paso. My area used to have 30 + teams a year going to Nationals,now we have barely 10-15. Keep this up and there will none. Everyone is talking about this decision. If you post it on the USBC website it keeps getting erased.WHY.

The other thing that was addressed was lane conditions. I dont know if going to having new oil(for all squads)is the way to go. I believe that the shot will be tourn apart the same way for double/singles as it is for teams. They need to add more oil in the out of bounds area so you will not be able to break the shot down as quik. Givin the teams that are better will still score better but it will be more about shot making and shooting spares than just striking once the lanes open up. They also need to do away with the rule about only two members of the PBA can only bowl on a team event and only one for doubles. Many of the guys that have been doing well for many years are professionals bowlers they just dont hold a PBA membership. They bowl many Preofessional Ametuer tournaments all year long. Why penalize a regional Pro for holding his card. These guys are no different than anybody else. Just my thoughts. Thanks



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Re: It's El Paso in 2015
« Reply #23 on: September 15, 2011, 06:05:50 PM »
Even here in Dallas a lot of guys are amazed we are going to El Paso and most of us will drive. I know from what I was told and heard at the convention they kicked in a lot of cash and free hotel to go with the convention center. San Antonio would have had a lot more to do,but believe it or not I think they have a higher crime rate. Don't know that for sure but what I have heard. Maybe 900 Global could have done something special if it was in San Antonio too. I never heard Las Vegas even was interested. Were they the secret bidder? I am glad its not Reno  though no matter where we go. I would have been glad to go to Syracuse, though the cost to get there is high from here and you have to do a layover somewhere. I am a big fan of Dinosaurs BBQ, so would have been worth it.

 

I am one of the bowlers that will go compete no  matter where it is held as long as health and money are there to do so. Looking forward to Baton Rouge and hoping lightning strikes twice since my biggest cash was last trip down there.


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Re: It's El Paso in 2015
« Reply #24 on: September 15, 2011, 07:11:12 PM »
I've never been to El Paso, so I'm excited.  Bowling and Mariachi bands for ME!
 


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Re: It's El Paso in 2015
« Reply #25 on: October 15, 2011, 09:55:39 AM »
This location works for me.  Someplace new, it's about time.  Coming from the northeast, looks like I'm flying into Abq or Tucson and driving in if the fares are high into El Paso. (I do a lot of sightseeing by rental car anyway, flew into Denver for Billings)