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Mighty Fish

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Entire field averages only 168.3 in USBC Open Tournament
« on: July 08, 2013, 04:38:19 PM »
Some people claim that the scores in the USBC Open Tournament are way too high, and they point to the high number of honor scores in attempting to make that point.

However, once again this year, the OVERALL averages of the tournament field are far from "too high" (as the following breakdown of this year's USBC Open clearly indicate) ...

* REGULAR TEAM ... 173.6 (120,335 games)
* REGULAR DOUBLES/SINGLES ... 173.8 (233,203 games)
* CLASSIFIED TEAM ... 152.1 (34,054 games)
* CLASSIFIED DOUBLES/SINGLES ... 149.3 (73,765 games)
* TEAM (both divisions combined) ... 168.9
* DOUBLES/SINGLES (both divisions combined) ... 168.0
* OVERALL (all divisions, all events) ... 168.3 (461,357 games)

So as I've maintained on many occasions, whereas there are quite a few high scores, only a very few -- outside of the best players and shotmakers -- are able to score at a high level. The statistics speak for themselves.
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Re: Entire field averages only 168.3 in USBC Open Tournament
« Reply #151 on: March 22, 2014, 10:08:24 PM »
Quote from: itsallaboutme on March 22, 2014, 08:55:39 PM
Where has it been that you would consider a "vacation destination"?

I went for 18 years. The one common theme with every city we went to was there was no reason to go back.

I must say that Mobbile, Alabama is a nice vacation place. Decent golf courses if thats your forte'. Good fishing. Casinos within 30 minutes Plenty of shopping areas. All at reasonable prices.

Baton Rouge is o.k. too. 
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Re: Entire field averages only 168.3 in USBC Open Tournament
« Reply #152 on: March 23, 2014, 03:05:29 PM »
Quote from: ccrider on March 22, 2014, 10:08:24 PM
Quote from: itsallaboutme on March 22, 2014, 08:55:39 PM
Where has it been that you would consider a "vacation destination"?

I went for 18 years. The one common theme with every city we went to was there was no reason to go back.

I must say that Mobbile, Alabama is a nice vacation place. Decent golf courses if thats your forte'. Good fishing. Casinos within 30 minutes Plenty of shopping areas. All at reasonable prices.

Baton Rouge is o.k. too. 

Knoxville wasn't bad with Pigeon Forge and the Smokies nearby.  Corpus Christie was wonderful.  I think we're staying in Albuquerque next year rather than staying in El Paso.  It's never going to the Bahamas or anything like that, but there are things to do in other places.
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Re: Entire field averages only 168.3 in USBC Open Tournament
« Reply #153 on: March 23, 2014, 03:41:02 PM »
Are you going to stay in Philadelphia when it's in Syracuse?  It's 250 miles from Alb to EP.

If you consider Albuquerque a vacation destination I don't know how to respond to this debate.
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Re: Entire field averages only 168.3 in USBC Open Tournament
« Reply #154 on: March 23, 2014, 04:09:41 PM »
Quote from: itsallaboutme on March 23, 2014, 03:41:02 PM
Are you going to stay in Philadelphia when it's in Syracuse?  It's 250 miles from Alb to EP.

If you consider Albuquerque a vacation destination I don't know how to respond to this debate.

Great. Now Joe is going to argue about the advantages of staying in a location 250 miles from the actual venue. And of course we ALL know what a tourist mecca Albuquerque is, right Joe?
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Re: Entire field averages only 168.3 in USBC Open Tournament
« Reply #155 on: March 23, 2014, 04:14:48 PM »
After thinking about Joe's decision to stay in Albuquerque instead of El Paso, I wonder if he sees the irony considering his previous argument about the Open being in Reno too often?
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Re: Entire field averages only 168.3 in USBC Open Tournament
« Reply #156 on: March 23, 2014, 04:35:38 PM »
Quote from: itsallaboutme on March 23, 2014, 03:41:02 PM
Are you going to stay in Philadelphia when it's in Syracuse?  It's 250 miles from Alb to EP.

If you consider Albuquerque a vacation destination I dong't know how to respond to this debate.

If Joe considers access to Pigeon Forge a plus, I don't know how to respond to questions of his sanity.  :)  I've never seen a stop light littered 10 mile strip with more cheesy hotels and tacky attractions anywhere else (I've traveled) in the country.  :o
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Re: Entire field averages only 168.3 in USBC Open Tournament
« Reply #157 on: March 23, 2014, 05:28:29 PM »
Also, tickets to El Paso are only about $20 cheaper round trip than a trip to Reno is. People just want to complain.
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Re: Entire field averages only 168.3 in USBC Open Tournament
« Reply #158 on: March 23, 2014, 08:57:54 PM »
Obviously you guys aren't interested in actually discussing anything.  I notice nobody is picking apart my solutions post yet again.  More proof that the solutions are more than viable and you guys just have nothing better to do than troll the internet.

Nobody said anything about staying in Albuquerque on the days we bowl; we are going to spend our extra time there or in AZ for ST instead of doing nothing in El Paso.  You guys are so incapable of having a discussion about anything.  You'd rather try to "catch" someone on some pointless detail than actually debate the point of the discussion.  Not surprising when I'm dead on and you guys look really, really bad because of it.  Carry on; I'm completely humored at this point. 
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Re: Entire field averages only 168.3 in USBC Open Tournament
« Reply #159 on: March 23, 2014, 09:47:06 PM »
Quote from: Joe Cool on March 23, 2014, 03:05:29 PM
I think we're staying in Albuquerque next year rather than staying in El Paso. 


This is what you wrote, in complete context. You said nothing about Albuquerque for fun outside the tournament. Your statement can't reasonably be interpreted that way all.


Maybe this kind of disconnect is why you're having so much trouble understanding the holes in your position, and what other people have tried to explain to you. At least now I have a better understanding.
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Re: Entire field averages only 168.3 in USBC Open Tournament
« Reply #160 on: March 24, 2014, 06:42:22 AM »
The El Paso/Juarez metropolitan area has 2.7 million people.  You think you need to drive 250 or 300 miles to find something to do?
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Re: Entire field averages only 168.3 in USBC Open Tournament
« Reply #161 on: March 24, 2014, 09:44:29 AM »
Quote from: Steven on March 23, 2014, 09:47:06 PM
Quote from: Joe Cool on March 23, 2014, 03:05:29 PM
I think we're staying in Albuquerque next year rather than staying in El Paso. 


This is what you wrote, in complete context. You said nothing about Albuquerque for fun outside the tournament. Your statement can't reasonably be interpreted that way all.


Maybe this kind of disconnect is why you're having so much trouble understanding the holes in your position, and what other people have tried to explain to you. At least now I have a better understanding.

Or maybe I give you guys too much credit to be able to connect the dots...
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Re: Entire field averages only 168.3 in USBC Open Tournament
« Reply #162 on: March 24, 2014, 09:47:31 AM »
Living is one of my only goals for leaving El Paso.  I'm still toying with the idea of skipping that tournament.  Knowing many women that were there for their tournament recently, staying somewhere else is a good move. 
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Re: Entire field averages only 168.3 in USBC Open Tournament
« Reply #163 on: March 24, 2014, 09:58:35 AM »
How many women didn't make it home? 

That is one of the most ridiculous thing I've read on here yet.
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Re: Entire field averages only 168.3 in USBC Open Tournament
« Reply #164 on: March 24, 2014, 10:22:21 AM »
Quote from: Joe Cool on March 24, 2014, 09:47:31 AM
Living is one of my only goals for leaving El Paso.  I'm still toying with the idea of skipping that tournament.  Knowing many women that were there for their tournament recently, staying somewhere else is a good move. 

Really?

Isn't this one of the normal arguments about Reno and the pan handlers downtown? Funny, with all the "tough guys" on this site, there sure are a lot of panty waists when it comes to dealing with the real world.
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Re: Entire field averages only 168.3 in USBC Open Tournament
« Reply #165 on: March 24, 2014, 10:49:05 AM »
One of you guys will have to quote this so Joe can see it apparently, since he put me on ignore since he can't refute what I say....
 
What I can't believe no one has said yet about the super hero for the masses Joe Cool is this....for someone who is supposed to be about the "Little Guys" he is now talking about forcing them to bowl at 7:00AM, 10:30PM or later. How is this looking out for the little guy, looking out for the masses? There is a reason they are doing away with the early morning squad....most people don't want to bowl it. Now in order to get the tournament to "more cities" Joe wants to force the USBC to keep the squad and fill it so it can have less lanes. So basically all this hot air about being for the masses is nothing but BS. It is about Joe and no one else....the proof is right in his post.
 
And since Joe likes Reno and Vegas so much, why doesn't he just stay there when the tournament is in El Paso....it's just a short drive, like Albuquerque. Of course, now that it's not in Reno....Joe is thinking of skipping it, because he doesn't want the tournament in Reno so much, for the masses, so now that his hero work is done, he doesn't actually need to attend the tournament and support it, now does he???
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