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Bill Thomas

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Baton Rouge Scoring
« on: July 17, 2011, 02:25:58 AM »
Given the plethora of honor and high scores at this years USBC Open in Reno, who thinks USBC will put out a tougher condition in 2012?  Who thinks they will continue with high scoring conditions to combat what appears to be a steady loss of participants?



 

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Re: Baton Rouge Scoring
« Reply #1 on: July 18, 2011, 05:16:05 PM »
I would expect scores to be lower.  I'm not sure they expected scores to be higher this year, but with it being at the same house and the house characteristics more or less taking over after a few games, a lot of big scores were going to be shot.  I can say from my own personal experience, I took a very similar gameplan into the stadium this year compared to last year and though my all events score was identical, my team improved by 300 pins and barring a barrage of 10-pins in the final game of singles (227), my 752 could have been higher than my 772 of the year prior. 

My team set was better by about 20 pins, my doubles score was identical, and my singles score was lower by 20.  Which is how I ended up shooting 2003 in 2010 & 2011. 

 

Also, the winning singles & doubles scores were lower this year than last.  And I believe the all-events winning score was lower.  So only one event had a higher winning score than last year. 


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Re: Baton Rouge Scoring
« Reply #2 on: July 18, 2011, 07:45:32 PM »
I think with todays equipment and bowlers using a group effort to break down the lanes the scores will continue to be higher then preferred.
 
If they wanted to change that I'm sure less oil would do it. Most of the bowlers using newer mid to high end equipment will burn up big areas of the lane quickly and struggle to adjust,carry, and score well.


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Re: Baton Rouge Scoring
« Reply #3 on: July 19, 2011, 02:13:18 PM »
Looking at the low to cash for the last 10 years in the regular div. the scores are fairly stable with a couple of higher years. So I'd expect the scoring pace to go back to "normal". With Regular Div. lows to cash around 2680 +/- 20 pins for team, 1100 doubles +/- 20 pins, 560 singles +/- 10 pins and 1740 +/- 15 pins for AE.
 
I think the loss of participants can be attributed to the economy and going to Reno 3 of the last 5 years. It wouldn't surprise me if most of the entries lost were from the east coast or places hit hardest by the economy.
 
I think the higher scores are coming from the better bowlers but the low to cash doesn't change too much. I'd be curious to see what the stats are to make the top 100 before and after USBC started posting lane conditions. I think the better teams are now going later in the tournament so they have more practice time on the patterns before they go bowl. Because of one of our bowlers being a farmer we're committed to bowling early in March. Our squad used to be fairly loaded for being early in the tournament with multiple Eagle winners and some fairly well known bowlers but it hasn't been for the last few years. The better teams that were on our squad are bowling much later now.



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Re: Baton Rouge Scoring
« Reply #4 on: July 19, 2011, 07:43:35 PM »
Lots of rumors out there including them going to more of a RWB pattern. Lets hope thats not the case. Any way you look at it I am looking forward to Baton Rouge. Last time down south I had my best outing at least financially. I am hoping lightning strikes again. That is if I can bowl at all. Currently sidelined with a new flair up of my back disc problems. I remember the first trip the lanes being tight for a lot of our group, but I had the right ball and a bit more area. With this being a new surface as opposed to the worn track at Reno, I suspect if they go with a tradional nationals pattern we could be back to normal. One thing that might help if you live around DFW, they put out the pattern at the training center for practice. This year everyone said it played wetter, but that might not be the case when you go from their to new lanes in Louisiana.


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Re: Baton Rouge Scoring
« Reply #5 on: July 20, 2011, 06:18:18 AM »
Tex, it is NOT going to be a RWB pattern.  Those rumors are total BS.


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Re: Baton Rouge Scoring
« Reply #6 on: July 20, 2011, 10:05:01 AM »
Weren't they talking about fresh oiling for Doubles/Singles?  That would probably help keep the top D/S scores down at least a little bit.

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Re: Baton Rouge Scoring
« Reply #7 on: July 20, 2011, 10:33:36 AM »
Fresh oil will not happen until 2013, if it happens.



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Re: Baton Rouge Scoring
« Reply #8 on: July 20, 2011, 07:35:05 PM »
Can't see that happening either. The week we in Reno in June that was one of the rumors.

 

 I talked a bit with Eric V at the USBC convention about the fresh oil scenario's. Sounded like they are considering it but have to revamp the squads. We were talking about what if on 6 bowlers per lane for D/S. Issue there is not being paired up with your team mates and catching lower divisions on your pair. That happens here in Texas in State and really gets guys ticked off to put it nicely. That happens now I guess, but with only four bowlers and broken down conditions on a lot of the doubles/singles squads it is not as detrimental or doesn't seem to be.

 

I was hoping to run into you at the convention, but did not stick around on Friday. I went as an athlete delegate so was there most of the week.


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Re: Baton Rouge Scoring
« Reply #9 on: July 21, 2011, 06:24:52 AM »
Based on everything I've heard I would be shocked if all events were not on fresh oil in 2013.  With entries the way they are now, the logistics are simple in Reno, with multiple options.  And it's a huge integrity upgrade for the tournament.  This is a win/win with virtually no downside.


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Re: Baton Rouge Scoring
« Reply #10 on: July 21, 2011, 09:12:09 PM »
I oil every squad of both tournaments I run in the North East Texas area. I have been doing it this way since back around 1999. Just makes sense to me. Prior to taking over the older event that we operate they ran fresh for the doubles & singles squad, but teams got left overs. While in the laquer days with rubber and plastic that might have been ok. Just did not make sense once we started shreding the pattern with urethane and reactive. Pair to pair they aren't the same for sure, but as close as we can get.

 

Only downside is how they sort the squads. I make sure every team that enters with 3 sets of doubles is on the same pair of lanes. If they have a second team then there are only four bowlers on that pair unless I have an odd set I can drop on to even up the lames. I allow mulitple doubles entries and have numerous bowlers that do only the D/S. So most of the time can even things out. If I end up with 4 on some pairs and 6 on others then that is how it falls. They enter together, they bowl together. I may miss a pair of teams once in a while, but never interntionally and not if they list the same team captain. Not sure Nationals can afford to follow my example, but if they could then it would be fantastic.

 

I also think with fresh every squad it really opens up the options for the conditions they put down. No more how is it going to hold up for 3 squads in the morning or team and a D//S. All they worry about is what is a tough fair condition for 10 bowlers for 3 games. Options are really endless with the fresh on every squad.


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