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Dewey24

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Failed Bowling Balls
« on: January 28, 2009, 12:07:41 PM »
These thoughts come from another thread earlier, but this has been bothering me ever since my first nationals experience in syracuse about 10 years ago i think.

We have all these balls failing at the scale room year in and year out for a variety of reasons.  Now i realize that its not always the bowlers fault, most dont drill their own balls or really care about side, finger, top weights etc.

Now my question is how many honor scores have been thrown with these balls?  And should there be some sort of punishment or something for this??

Well just a thought, and maybe i just created a new job in the world of bowling, the official HONOR SCORE BALL LEGALITY REPRESENTATIVE..

 

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Re: Failed Bowling Balls
« Reply #16 on: January 30, 2009, 09:11:11 AM »
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on his main league night runs a shot he can shoot 250- 260 every game on while the majority of bowlers avg. drop him and his team kill it

there lanes from what i hear are not with in the usbc legal specs


Everybody else is bowling on the same lanes, why are they having such a hard time.

It only takes a couple of units on the lane to be "legal"

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Now my question is how many honor scores have been thrown with these balls? And should there be some sort of punishment or something for this??


Really...does a 1/4oz over the limit really make a ball so good that anyone can shoot an honor score with it. The thought that its the bowler and not the ball comes to mind.

I agree that rules are rules and we should all have to abide by them. And there are some that purposely bend them to try and gain an advantage. But I also think that maybe all of the people that spend so much time and energy complaining about unfair conditions and illegal equipment, should spend some of that time improving there game.
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Re: Failed Bowling Balls
« Reply #17 on: January 30, 2009, 11:22:33 AM »
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And everytime someone brings a new ball to use they have to get it signed off by a league official...  

Nice idea - but several of the bowlers in my mixed league use house balls. Do they log them in from week to week? Just in case?
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Re: Failed Bowling Balls
« Reply #18 on: February 02, 2009, 08:57:47 AM »
What is the point of this topic????

There is one main point that you seem to forget....whose scale is the "legal" scale? I have seen this scenario many times....weigh a ball on scale A (say line 1 at Nationals) it reads over 1/16 ounce on something. Don't let them drill it, take it back and go to scale B (line 2 at Nationals), it reads 1/16 ounce over in another area, but ok where scale A said it was over. Take it back and go to scale C (line 3 at Nationals) and the ball passes on all areas.

So do we punish this bowler for an illegal ball? Take away all his honor scores??

This is a joke and any attempt at this would open up more cheating then you see today, by far. This is an epic FAIL!
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Re: Failed Bowling Balls
« Reply #19 on: February 02, 2009, 01:09:25 PM »
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Re: Failed Bowling Balls
« Reply #20 on: February 03, 2009, 09:27:28 AM »
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What is the point of this topic????

There is one main point that you seem to forget....whose scale is the "legal" scale? I have seen this scenario many times....weigh a ball on scale A (say line 1 at Nationals) it reads over 1/16 ounce on something. Don't let them drill it, take it back and go to scale B (line 2 at Nationals), it reads 1/16 ounce over in another area, but ok where scale A said it was over. Take it back and go to scale C (line 3 at Nationals) and the ball passes on all areas.

So do we punish this bowler for an illegal ball? Take away all his honor scores??

This is a joke and any attempt at this would open up more cheating then you see today, by far. This is an epic FAIL!
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Hey Dewey, still waiting on your "brilliant" answer to this?????
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Re: Failed Bowling Balls
« Reply #21 on: February 03, 2009, 01:49:33 PM »
wut about the fact that some balls pass the first day then dont pass the second day...My first year at usbc was 2 years ago and one of the guys on our teams SPARE ball (an old blue dot) passed the first day, then not the second day..............funny
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Re: Failed Bowling Balls
« Reply #22 on: February 04, 2009, 12:27:17 PM »
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What is the point of this topic????

There is one main point that you seem to forget....whose scale is the "legal" scale? I have seen this scenario many times....weigh a ball on scale A (say line 1 at Nationals) it reads over 1/16 ounce on something. Don't let them drill it, take it back and go to scale B (line 2 at Nationals), it reads 1/16 ounce over in another area, but ok where scale A said it was over. Take it back and go to scale C (line 3 at Nationals) and the ball passes on all areas.

So do we punish this bowler for an illegal ball? Take away all his honor scores??

This is a joke and any attempt at this would open up more cheating then you see today, by far. This is an epic FAIL!
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Hey Dewey, still waiting on your "brilliant" answer to this?????
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Ohhh Dewey...where are you...you going to answer this or just be an a-hole?
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Re: Failed Bowling Balls
« Reply #23 on: February 05, 2009, 07:54:50 AM »
We manufacture and support the precision digital scales that the USBC uses to check every ball at the tournament, and have done so for several years now. USBC goes to a great deal of trouble each year to make the ball screening rigorous. Every ball is screened before it can be taken into the tournament.

NCAA tournaments and some international tournaments also screen equipment with our scales.

On average, out of every 1000 balls checked, 50 are found to be very close to or over the regulated weight limits. Of those 50, 25 are passed after a more careful screening. Of the remaining 25, half are so out-of-round that they 'lean' in the scale, giving an exaggerated reading in the scale. The remaining 10 or so are really out-of-spec, and must be drilled to be legal.

Regarding someone who passes one day, but gets caught the second day, remember that the screening process is designed to be fast, and the screeners don't carefully measure each ball to precisely find grip centers they estimate it on the fly. If your equipment is close to the limit then the screener could easily pass you one day, but catch you the second day because the grip center was estimated a bit differently.
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