Author Topic: Fairness of the shot? (Read 5013 times)

agroves · « **on:** January 18, 2006, 11:19:21 PM »

I am pretty bored at work tonight. Decided to throw this up for discussion.

I think we all know it isn't a secret that they want players off the second arrow. It seems they shut out players with low revs that like to play the outside. Last time I was at nationals, I saw a bunch of senior players struggling to hook the ball from the outside.

I am questioning the fairness of shutting people out and/or pushing them off the ten board to score. Maybe the tourney should have alternating shots, every other year.

Thoughts?

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bass · « **Reply #16 on:** January 24, 2006, 07:24:28 AM »

A lot depends on what the righthanders are doing.
If you have a bunch of them throwing charcoal from deep inside.
Your head oil is going to disappear in a hurry.
Also you can play just about anywhere you want as long as you are consistent.
I mean speed control,ball release and accuracy.
To go along with making the proper ball selection.
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janderson · « **Reply #17 on:** January 27, 2006, 04:57:33 PM »

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Also you can play just about anywhere you want as long as you are consistent.

Absolutely. However, it is not a completely flat pattern, so there is an edge of oil that can be used to create a small amount of miss room.

Yes, if everyone is generally playing that same edge of oil and playing it accurately, the shot can be "opened" up to some degree, and you don't need charcoal briskets to do so. In general, most bowlers (and groups of bowlers) don't have the knowledge, patience, or skill to accomplish this. Bowlers of that caliber will generally succeed on tight conditions anyway. This is in no way a "slam" to "Joe Bowler". I wish I was one of the best bowlers in the world, but I'm not. I'm in the lower 99 percentile like the rest of you

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I think we all know it isn't a secret that they want players off the second arrow.

That's not true at all. The next time you bowl nationals, see if you can catch Eric Pierson (sp), one of the the head mechanics. He's a super nice guy, very approachable, and likes to talk bowling. If you're willing to listen, he'll explain to you the process that is used to create the condition and what "they" are "trying to do" with the lane conditions.

You can play the second arrow, and that includes the "old timers". What you can't do, is play over the second arrow and have your breakpoint all over the lane, or go up and down with your speed, or be inconsistent with your release, etc.

There are 60,000+ bowlers who compete every year and the number keeps growing. My opinion is that the number continues to grow because the bowlers see it as the challenge it is and can rely on a high degree of fairness by those running the tournament. The condition isn't rigged to rule anyone out and isn't rigged to play favorites for anyone, stroker, cranker, tweener, old, young, thin, fat, poor, beautiful, ugly, or what have you (unless you want to get into the whole debate of whether accuracy or power should be rewarded). People who execute well score. Those who don't ... don't.

If you start changing the shot every year to give one type of bowler or another an advantage, even if you rotate the advantage, you're going to estrange a large number of bowlers every year until participation dwindles.

As for the question regarding the conditions on the left - they do take into account that there are generally fewer left handers bowling when the conditions are created, tested, re-tested, re-tested, and re-tested again.

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ws6boi · « **Reply #18 on:** January 27, 2006, 11:22:42 PM »

Well to be hoest the shot does favor the straighter players with less revs. Yes they have to move off there normal outside line but if they can play in the middle they are deadly. The big boomers have to get deep and because of there rev rate they have to play alot deeper then the straighters but they dont have as much of the lane to play with because of the big OB they have. I remember a few years ago when a junior bowler in junior naotionals in florida led the tourny by a million( little exageration) and all he did was play straight up the middle, 19-17 all week. Just my opinion of the shot tho.

TWOHAND834 · « **Reply #19 on:** January 31, 2006, 01:02:23 AM »

I agree with Andrew, actually. Every year for as long as I can remember, the shot seems to be deep inside. It is just a matter of getting the right ball in your hand. For once, I would like to see a heavier pattern to see how people would react. For the average bowler, the more inside out you tend to play, the worse off you tend to be. Looking at the PBA patterns, not every pattern calls for a 4th-5th arrow shot. Just about the highest scoring shot tends to play up the boards from the outside (Mika shooting 300, the Trussville, AL stop last week). What would happen if they put out a 42-45 foot pattern out there? There aren't too many people that would still try and play the deeper, inside line. So, I kind of agree with Andrew. It would be nice to see more versatility on the patterns they lay out.
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janderson · « **Reply #20 on:** January 31, 2006, 01:45:28 PM »

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I agree with Andrew, actually. Every year for as long as I can remember, the shot seems to be deep inside.

For whom?

Teammates have scored well (1800+) from all parts of the lane over the years. Sure, each of us will have different experiences, but that's a pretty large generalization.
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JoeBowler · « **Reply #21 on:** January 31, 2006, 01:58:20 PM »

Andrew as near as I can tell you have been to only one nationals, Billings Montana where they had a good gutter shot.

What are you basing your observation on?

I agree that playing 2nd arrow is triky and not the best place to be but I saw scores shot from the 12 board to the 30 board at the arrows all depends on your stylle.

The bad part is doubles and singles depending on who you follow you can get a good look two nothing. Unless you go witha companion team trying to work together to breakdown the shot is dicy as well.

DanR · « **Reply #22 on:** February 02, 2006, 01:34:44 PM »

I bowled during Eagles week and many of the better teams played up 12 and did well. Even though I can't play straight well, the better shots is to play straight. Lower rev? There's alot of diferent balls to help ones weakness of revolutions

KDawg77 · « **Reply #23 on:** February 02, 2006, 01:38:11 PM »

The shot's a joke. When you allegedly have "fresh" oil and you can't get the ball to move and the bowl later the backend is wide open, they're doing something wrong. The backends are not clean/stripped or whatever you call it. The Masters two years ago was basically the same shot and the backends were better on fresh shifts.
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Gil · « **Reply #24 on:** February 02, 2006, 01:58:59 PM »

I've been going since the last time it was in Toledo,Ohio. The shot almost always is from forth arrow in, I have to play between 3 & 4 arrow. I think that Toledo, and Billings both allowed you to play outside more and the scores were higher.I belive that Billings had the most 300 ever at that time.

I go to have a good time with friends I don't see enough of, and if i bowl good that is a bonus. Will be out there on March 4th & 5th. Anyone else going to be out there that weekend?

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