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budguyz

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Grooving a shot
« on: March 13, 2004, 01:23:24 AM »
I saw this on a different site and figured I would ask the question here. What are your thoughts on grooving a shot at nationals? By this I mean using
a sandblasted ball to move the oil around during practice. Advantage - Disadvantage, fair - unfair ?
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TheBowlingKid25

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Re: Grooving a shot
« Reply #1 on: March 13, 2004, 04:25:14 PM »
Im pretty sure its legal, just rude HAHA I was thinking about doing the same thing, like throw a particle ball on the line I want to play and hope to pick up alotta oil on it.
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Re: Grooving a shot
« Reply #2 on: March 14, 2004, 05:35:28 AM »
no rebuttal - just this:
   
        DITTO..............

The ABC could always go back to 1 ball on each lane for team
They could also include the price of a ball in the entry fee and have each bowler use the same ball.....................



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DanH78

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Re: Grooving a shot
« Reply #3 on: March 14, 2004, 03:06:26 PM »
First off, just because something isn't covered in the rules doesn't make it right.  Say they put out a shot that is fair for a cranker and a down and in guy alike.  You being the cranker burn up the down and in guys line during practice, removing his shot.  How's that for ethics.  Or maybe you decide to burn up the left side of the lane so that the lefty doesn't have a shot.  Anyone accurate enough and good enough to "groove" a shot should be good enough to score without altering the shot.  If you're not confident enough to score on the shot they put out, maybe you need to practice a little more.
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Re: Grooving a shot
« Reply #4 on: March 14, 2004, 03:14:02 PM »
Dan, you have just given me an idea.  I'm gonna sand my dad's old complete chaos down to 320 grit and start playing 6th arrow with it.  That will really stop the lefty domination.  MY evil plan will soon be unleashed!
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Re: Grooving a shot
« Reply #5 on: March 14, 2004, 05:02:42 PM »
Nick you are correct, my post was all in jest.  I have no intention of doing that, as much as I would like to.  I am sure when I get to reno in April I will struggle like I did last year.  Lets hope I can find a line that will eventually groove me into the pocket.
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TheBowlingKid25

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Re: Grooving a shot
« Reply #6 on: March 14, 2004, 05:24:04 PM »
WHAT IF YOU TOOK A PLASTIC, SANDED IT TO 100 GRIT, AND SPUN IT BACKWARDS LIKE THE LITTLE KIDS DO!
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AM not A CHICK OF BOWLING but I wanted to be in Manda's clique And why would I "saw" pins in half, THATS A WASTE OF PINS! I'd rather blow it over with my storm, and 21mph ball speed on dry shots.
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TheBowlingKid25

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Re: Grooving a shot
« Reply #7 on: March 14, 2004, 05:31:48 PM »
LMAO trust me, as the last frame was coming around the corner there, i'd be like "mom, get the car, and meet me at the door!"
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AM not A CHICK OF BOWLING but I wanted to be in Manda's clique And why would I "saw" pins in half, THATS A WASTE OF PINS! I'd rather blow it over with my storm, and 21mph ball speed on dry shots.
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DanH78

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Re: Grooving a shot
« Reply #8 on: March 14, 2004, 11:56:38 PM »
I'm not upset over whether someone wants to try to "groove" a shot or not.  My point I was trying to make is why not bowl on the shot they put out instead of altering it into something you can score on.  It starts out as trying to make things easier for you, then it turns into screwing things up for the other people.  I'm not the greatest bowler by any stretch of the imagination, but I would rather test myself on the true shot, than burn the lane up to make it easy.  I average mid 190's on a house shot, and last year I average 195 in Knoxville.  If you want to "groove" a shot, be my guest.  I feel I can hit the shot they put out without making it easier.  If I don't, then I need to go practice more.  

People complain about the integrity of bowling being lost, about scores being too high.  Yet, when the ABC, the group everyone blames for inflated scores and averages, puts out a shot that is difficult, designed to keep scores honest, someone has to bust out a 320 grit particle ball to make the shot easier and their scores higher.  

Some of us there still believe that it's not whether you win or lose, it how you play the game.  Integrity begins with the bowlers, not the governing board.
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DanH78

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Re: Grooving a shot
« Reply #9 on: March 15, 2004, 10:01:22 AM »
The first line of my post reads "I'm not upset over whether someone wants to try to "groove" a shot or not."  What this statement means is that I don't care what anyone out there does, or does not do at any tournament.  I'm confident that I can and will score, and cash in every event.  Like I said before, integrity begins with the bowlers themselves.
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DanH78

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Re: Grooving a shot
« Reply #10 on: March 16, 2004, 10:15:53 AM »
I guess I'm not making myself clear.  You can do whatever you want.  Groove a shot, don't, it doesn't bother me.  I wouldn't do because I don't think it's right.  I could care less what the PBA guys do.  Chris Barnes, from what I've heard, is one of those guys that likes to groove a shot during match play.  But he gets on TV, can't burn up his shot, and then doesn't win. Whether there's a direct correlation or not can't be determined, but I think you can see the direction I'm going.  You're right, you will be following the rules.  Technology evolved so fast that the rules couldn't keep up.  I just hope that we can change the rules.  But that won't happen because people want their inflated scores and averages.  I've seen you bowl before, and I bowled against your brothers when they were at Sag, and I know you guys have talent and knowledge.  So for all of you guys out there that are good enough to groove your shot, why don't you believe you can shoot 3250 without it?
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Re: Grooving a shot
« Reply #11 on: March 16, 2004, 01:01:48 PM »
How much practice time do they give at the ABC now?  The only time I went (94) we got one ball on each lane.  Even if they give 10-15 minutes of practice, I can't see how you could change the shot that much.  You will need at least 2-3 throws to see how the shot is (maybe you don't care since you're trying to change it anyway?) and to loosen up.  How many shots does that leave you to groove the shot?  The other team is taking up half of the time.  Also as far as amateur vs. pro, professionals are allowed to use either hand and sand their balls different than amateurs (sand just the last few flare lines for example).  Just because pros can change the lanes doesn't necessarily mean it's OK for the rest of us.

DanH,

Interesting point about Barnes grooving a shot during match play, but struggling on TV where he doesn't get the chance.  Might have something to do with his problems?  I know they sometimes put up stats and certain guys average a lot less their first match compared to the rest of the games.
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Re: Grooving a shot
« Reply #12 on: March 16, 2004, 11:02:41 PM »
Strider, in answer to your question on practise time at the ABC, they give you 10 minutes for team event, one ball on each lane for doubles and none for singles.
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Re: Grooving a shot
« Reply #13 on: March 17, 2004, 12:40:13 AM »
i don't know how one would do it.  but if i did, i don't see the problems with using what the rule book states, or doesn't state for that matter, to your advantage.  everyone is allowed to do it.  so why wouldn't it be fair.  just because you are unable?  what if you don't know how to hook the ball?  now is it unethical for someone to throw a hook against you?


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