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lefty50

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What's a good Jackal replacement for Nationals?
« on: March 26, 2016, 11:28:19 AM »
I was definitely going to buy a Jackal Carnage for the top slot in my Nats lineup (26th year this time), but that's gone now... Looking for suggestions on a replacement. I already have a Revolt Havoc, which has been a mild disappointment so far, but I haven't used it enough yet to say for sure... I want to add something else...

I keep hearing about the Hammer Scandal, but I haven't thrown Hammer in years... Suggestions please on the best options for a low rev lefty?
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Re: What's a good Jackal replacement for Nationals?
« Reply #1 on: March 26, 2016, 11:31:29 AM »
I'd go with a Dream Big if you're looking at oil.
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Brian Green

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Re: What's a good Jackal replacement for Nationals?
« Reply #2 on: March 26, 2016, 11:34:38 AM »
Im arming myself with an alpha crux for nats this year.   Im.a higher rev lefty and had a scandal and it was too much for me.    Id say either a scandal dream big or nirvana would be my choices
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Re: What's a good Jackal replacement for Nationals?
« Reply #3 on: March 26, 2016, 11:51:48 AM »
900G Dream Big, DV8 Grudge, Brunswick Nirvana, and Storm Alpha Crux are the strong asymmetric core, strong cover balls at the top now.

I personally would look more at the Dream Big or Grudge. I think the Grudge might be most similar to the Carnage
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Re: What's a good Jackal replacement for Nationals?
« Reply #4 on: March 26, 2016, 03:14:48 PM »
If you are looking for an asymmetric ball, Alpha Crux, Nirvana, Guru Master, Grudge.

If symmetric or asymmetric does not matter, add the Scandal
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Re: What's a good Jackal replacement for Nationals?
« Reply #5 on: March 26, 2016, 03:58:52 PM »
I'd probably lean towards the Dream Big.  It uses the nano covers that Storm has come out with and gives a good combination of midlane and backend. 
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Re: What's a good Jackal replacement for Nationals?
« Reply #6 on: March 27, 2016, 05:21:54 PM »
The key to Nationals, or any flatter pattern is not to try to find something that opens the lanes up to the max, but finding something that will give you a predictable breakpoint, and not go too much sideways off the end of the oil.  I don't think anyone is going to need a hook monster on a 38 foot team pattern, even with ice oil.  If you want to go with power, I would opt for the Alpha Crux or Nirvana. 

My game plan will be to start with my IQ tour solid, and see how it reads between 7 and 10 board.  Depending on the reaction I will either go with my control layout Viral Solid, or go in and try to get a look off my Paradox hybrid with polish. 

Its really all about transitions.  I never have trouble getting lined up out of the gate.  How the carrydown sets up becomes a much bigger factor, especially with a 38 ft pattern.
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tommymo

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Re: What's a good Jackal replacement for Nationals?
« Reply #7 on: March 27, 2016, 05:39:15 PM »
DV8 Grudge, Radical Guru Master or Brunswick Nirvana. Would be good choices to replace the Jackal. I, personally, like the Grudge.
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Re: What's a good Jackal replacement for Nationals?
« Reply #8 on: March 27, 2016, 05:53:29 PM »
Appreciate the input. Bob, I'm probably the polar opposite, even on a short pattern... 225-250 revs, left handed (only one on the pair usually), high axis rotation. I never have hook, no matter what the other side has or what I see on the lanes.... I'd love to cross over just once at Nationals.....
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avabob

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Re: What's a good Jackal replacement for Nationals?
« Reply #9 on: March 28, 2016, 10:59:05 AM »
We are in the same rev range lefty.  One thing to remember is that the stadium is much better on the left than the right.  I don't pretend to totally understand issues on the left side, but I think one thing is common to both sides.  A house shot gives us free hook, and the Nationals pattern does not.  The mistake bowlers on both sides make is trying to find an aggressive ball that will restore the free hook and get them back in their comfort zone.  It doesn't work, at least not soon enough to save a bad first game.  The key is getting comfortable playing a bit more squared up.  Too aggressive a shell takes away your ability to square up faster than it opens up your swing area.  I cant speak to exactly how aggressive a shell will do that to you as a lefty and also not knowing what kind of ball speed you have.   The more ball speed you have at your rev rate, the more aggressive shell you can use. 

I think a ball like the Alpha Crux is a good choice because you can tame the shell down quite a bit without creating an uncontrollable skid snap look.   Same holds true for the Paradox.   
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lefty50

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Re: What's a good Jackal replacement for Nationals?
« Reply #10 on: March 28, 2016, 11:42:38 AM »
Understood, but again, I've never known "free hook", and it's naturally getting worse as I get older.... They keep telling me that the stadium is better for lefties, but I'm ALWAYS 20 pins down in Reno from any other Nationals venue ...

I'm squared up every night, never getting any bend unless I'm on a burned daytime shot. I wish I was. I've seen right handers pack up and leave a league night bitching about hook when they've had more than me on a normal night.

Appreciate the input though...!
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Re: What's a good Jackal replacement for Nationals?
« Reply #11 on: March 28, 2016, 12:54:32 PM »
In the Bill Hall interview, he mentioned that the Righty's do better than the Lefts at least that was the take that I got.

AvaBob, what surface are going to start with on your IQ Tour? I am bringing my IQ Tour and Fight.
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Re: What's a good Jackal replacement for Nationals?
« Reply #12 on: March 28, 2016, 01:20:58 PM »
Quote from: avabob on March 28, 2016, 10:59:05 AM
We are in the same rev range lefty.  One thing to remember is that the stadium is much better on the left than the right.  I don't pretend to totally understand issues on the left side, but I think one thing is common to both sides.  A house shot gives us free hook, and the Nationals pattern does not.  The mistake bowlers on both sides make is trying to find an aggressive ball that will restore the free hook and get them back in their comfort zone.  It doesn't work, at least not soon enough to save a bad first game.  The key is getting comfortable playing a bit more squared up.  Too aggressive a shell takes away your ability to square up faster than it opens up your swing area.  I cant speak to exactly how aggressive a shell will do that to you as a lefty and also not knowing what kind of ball speed you have.   The more ball speed you have at your rev rate, the more aggressive shell you can use. 

I think a ball like the Alpha Crux is a good choice because you can tame the shell down quite a bit without creating an uncontrollable skid snap look.   Same holds true for the Paradox.   

avabob nailed it in this post plus lefty50 your high axis rotation is not going to help on flat patterns.  Watch Matt McNeil who has very little AR at Natl's and kills them....granted he is a great bowler with ball speed.  If I was a lefty going to Natl's I would watch Matt's release and where he plays the lanes and try to get as close to that as possible if it's possible for you to do that.  Granted 250 revs is going to limit you but avabob is in that category on the right side.
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Re: What's a good Jackal replacement for Nationals?
« Reply #13 on: April 02, 2016, 11:06:19 AM »
I will probably leave my IQ tour at 2000.  I would go to 4000, but I have a Viral solid drilled for early roll that I would probably opt for if I am getting too much sideways reaction with the IQ. In all honesty that is just a starting point.  I try to totally keep an open mind for two reasons.  First, the more you think you know, the more likely you are to lock yourself in to something that may not be right.  Second, it is really all about transitions.  Good chance that by the end of game 1,  I wont be playing the shot even close to how I start or with the same ball.
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