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Kevin Dornberger---
« on: May 20, 2010, 05:11:42 AM »
And here I thought he wasn't a smart person.. Ohh wait but he is. Drives the USBC straight into ground, then takes over as WTBA President. Ohh and now he is able to release fun stuff like this to screw the USBC and our National tournament.

Side Note this is all over.. Wait for it... Wait.... Yup the fact that you are able to drink during squads. WTBA has a huge policy against that!! I said it in the very beginning when they first announced this damn new thing, that it was going to hurt in the end! Sure enough now it will take away some bowlers and only get worse I am sure.

http://www.talktenpin.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=4862&Itemid=116

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Re: Kevin Dornberger---
« Reply #31 on: May 24, 2010, 09:43:09 PM »
Were any of those overseas players drinking booze? Even if Americans can drink booze, would someone from another WTBA zone be able to drink?
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Re: Kevin Dornberger---
« Reply #32 on: May 24, 2010, 09:56:04 PM »
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Were any of those overseas players drinking booze? Even if Americans can drink booze, would someone from another WTBA zone be able to drink?
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That is a moot question. They should not even be there. So if they are, and have a drink, what violation takes precedence. Bowling in a non-sanctioned event, or having a beer while doing it. This whole thing is a farce, IMO
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Re: Kevin Dornberger---
« Reply #33 on: May 25, 2010, 08:13:55 AM »
I never liked the idea of allowing alcohol in this tournament...This is supposed to be the "main event" for league bowling/bowlers...first prize is one of the most prestigious awards in our "sport"...an Eagle! I think this is a HUGE step backwards for bowling. What's next, cutoffs and tank tops?!

Not sure what to think about the numbers coming from there either..people averaging 230 and up...but that's another topic...

Riggs, I disagree with you, this is the USBC "Open", and I believe its for all USBC members. As long as International Players, who have not established a USBC average, bowl scratch, I have no problem with them competing.
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Re: Kevin Dornberger---
« Reply #34 on: May 25, 2010, 09:30:10 AM »
I would be in favor of limiting this tournament to people who bowl in USBC certified leagues ... that means NO unattached memberships whatsoever. If you are from Canada or Mexico (or wherever) and get your XX number of games in in a USBC certified league that would be good enough for me. I would say if you bowled in a league from the current season or the prior one and were certfied that would be fine ... this would cover someone who perhaps was injured and missed some games in the current season and didn't reach the minimum, which might be ?? games.
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Re: Kevin Dornberger---
« Reply #35 on: May 25, 2010, 09:31:48 AM »
George, the Masters is a totally different thing.  It IS a PBA event in that it gets you a PBA title and TOC spot (if you are a member).  And it IS TOTALLY OPEN -- USBC OCs ban exempt pros.  It's also for top level bowlers while USBC OCs is for "everyone."
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Re: Kevin Dornberger---
« Reply #36 on: May 25, 2010, 09:33:25 AM »
George, why do you say this:

"USBC has to be sanctioned with the WTBA if we want our country to participate in any country events. Mens/Womans/Youth World Championships, plus others that countries get together and compete in."

The USBC OCs has nothing directly to do with qualifying for the U.S. Team, unlike the Team Trials and PBA Tour.
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Re: Kevin Dornberger---
« Reply #37 on: May 25, 2010, 09:36:47 AM »
George, you said

Now onto your local association stuff. I believe the WTBA rules(not 100% sure) says that during no tournament may you drink alcohol or smoke during a squad. So the way I read it if a bowler representing a team of any country is bowling in one of these events, could potentially jeopardize their spot on a team. Again I am not 100% as to what it says during leagues or local tournaments. I have never been in a position to have to worry about that nor will I ever. But anyone that represents a countries national team probably could answer that for you.

So are you telling me that it's possible that anyone who bowls on a national team never better have a beer during a fun league that is certified.  This is the most absurd rule ever and probably would DQ most of the U.S. team members over the years.  I drink only water at the USBC OCs (including this year) and obviously during PBA events, but we drink at our state and city tournaments (house conditions and more for social because of that) and in league.

This is a ridiculous rule if it includes all certified tourneys and leagues.
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Re: Kevin Dornberger---
« Reply #38 on: May 25, 2010, 10:32:49 AM »
Let's be honest here...  75+% of the people that go to the USBC OC go as a VACATION!  95% of people that go, don't have a chance of winning or even finishing in the top 25.  But, you can say that 99% of people go to have a good time no matter what.  This is a social "championship" where preperation is optional.

If you want this to be an "elite" competition, then raise the entry fee and reduce the participation of this event.  Oh, and re-oil the lanes after EVERY squad!  Sorry folks, this isn't intended to be Olympic competition, but rather a reward for participation.



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Re: Kevin Dornberger---
« Reply #39 on: May 25, 2010, 02:16:37 PM »
Didn't USBC get rid of Dornberger? When is his WTBA term over, anyway?
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Re: Kevin Dornberger---
« Reply #40 on: May 25, 2010, 04:08:55 PM »
Riggs, the USBC Masters is only considered a title IF and only IF your a PBA member. If your bowling as an amateur you do not get the title, exemption, nor the entry to the TOC. At least I am pretty sure Brett Wolfe didn't get it back in 2003 when he won his. I wasn't comparing the PBA level of competition to USBC OC. It was to state the fact that it is a USBC event and you feel that unless you bowl a league you shouldn't be allowed in a USBC event. Example the USBC Masters.

The sick part is back when I was a Junior bowler, the first 3 years of JOG (it was called then). We have people from Canada and Puerto Rico coming over to bowl, yet they never participated a day in a YABA league at that time. They can't be on Jr. Team USA obviously, YET they were allowed to bowl Junior Olympic Gold (which we all know was to determine Jr. Team USA). Please tell me how much sense that made!

Also about the local stuff, I did say I was not 100% sure about the ruling on that one. I have no reason to know as I will never be a part of a national team.

Also the USBC has to be sanctioned by the WTBA in order for our national teams to compete in the Mens Worlds, Womens World, and Youth World tournaments. That is what I was saying there.

I don't understand why you would want to limit the field in a tournament like this. Someone like yourself that has had HUGE success in this tournament should want entries. Just means more in the prize fund for you at the end of the tournament. You should always want entries into any tournament no matter who it is. I just don't understand that.

Hornetajc, it was only as of about 5-6 years ago?! I am not totally sure on that one either that they started allowing jeans. So this tournament is over 100 years old and now all the sudden we start allowing jeans?! WHY?! We dealt with it for the first 90 or so years players having to wear dress pants. Why can't we keep that tradition? Are you going to tell me people aren't going to travel to this tournament each year because they can't wear jeans or are being told they have to wear slacks?! I don't think so. I am pretty sure if they are on vacation they are going no matter what as you just said.

On Further Review, I believe Kevin stepped down as CEO of USBC. As to when his term is up with WTBA I am not to sure about that.
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Re: Kevin Dornberger---
« Reply #41 on: May 25, 2010, 06:47:14 PM »
They might as well allow smoking, too.
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Re: Kevin Dornberger---
« Reply #42 on: May 25, 2010, 08:52:48 PM »
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Riggs, the USBC Masters is only considered a title IF and only IF your a PBA member. If your bowling as an amateur you do not get the title, exemption, nor the entry to the TOC. At least I am pretty sure Brett Wolfe didn''t get it back in 2003 when he won his. I wasn''t comparing the PBA level of competition to USBC OC. It was to state the fact that it is a USBC event and you feel that unless you bowl a league you shouldn''t be allowed in a USBC event. Example the USBC Masters.

The sick part is back when I was a Junior bowler, the first 3 years of JOG (it was called then). We have people from Canada and Puerto Rico coming over to bowl, yet they never participated a day in a YABA league at that time. They can''t be on Jr. Team USA obviously, YET they were allowed to bowl Junior Olympic Gold (which we all know was to determine Jr. Team USA). Please tell me how much sense that made!

Also about the local stuff, I did say I was not 100% sure about the ruling on that one. I have no reason to know as I will never be a part of a national team.

Also the USBC has to be sanctioned by the WTBA in order for our national teams to compete in the Mens Worlds, Womens World, and Youth World tournaments. That is what I was saying there.

I don''t understand why you would want to limit the field in a tournament like this. Someone like yourself that has had HUGE success in this tournament should want entries. Just means more in the prize fund for you at the end of the tournament. You should always want entries into any tournament no matter who it is. I just don''t understand that.

Hornetajc, it was only as of about 5-6 years ago?! I am not totally sure on that one either that they started allowing jeans. So this tournament is over 100 years old and now all the sudden we start allowing jeans?! WHY?! We dealt with it for the first 90 or so years players having to wear dress pants. Why can''t we keep that tradition? Are you going to tell me people aren''t going to travel to this tournament each year because they can''t wear jeans or are being told they have to wear slacks?! I don''t think so. I am pretty sure if they are on vacation they are going no matter what as you just said.

On Further Review, I believe Kevin stepped down as CEO of USBC. As to when his term is up with WTBA I am not to sure about that.


Brett Wolfe won in 2002 not 2003 and the exempt tour was not around yet. I don''t know if he could or could not have received a title by joining the PBA. My guess is that he could have and have it count as a title.

I read the newsletter and it stated that only bowlers from this zone could bowl the Nationals.  My interpretation is that Team USA members can bowl it and not have it affected their eligibility in the tournaments you mentioned.

"With reference to WTBA Playing Rules 3.7.5 c we have to inform you that the ongoing tournament USBC Open Championship is not approved by WTBA because USBC has chosen not to apply for WTBA approval.
This means that no players from another zone than the American zone (PABCON) are allowed to participate. This is stated in WTBA Playing rules Chapter 3
A tournament cannot be open for players from more than the Zone, where the tournament takes place, unless WTBA approval is given".

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Re: Kevin Dornberger---
« Reply #43 on: May 26, 2010, 07:05:36 AM »
George, my prior post noted that Masters only counts for a PBA title (for purposes like TOC, exemptions) IF you are a member.

My point in this debate is that there is no way some organization from outside the U.S. has any business telling the USBC what rules it can and cannot have with a tournament (the Open Championships) that has nothing directly to do with qualifying for Team USA.  (Yes I know you can -- or once could -- pay $10 or whatever to win a spot in the Team Trials but that has been or can be eliminated.)

USBC OC essentially is the national tournament for league bowlers. Period.

USBC is practically bankrupt and put the drinking rule in to raise $$$. In a perfect world, I would not support that rule. But it's not a perfect world and if some average league bowler wants to have a couple beers, it has zero impact on my team competing for an eagle ... the money raised is a trade-off I support because it's better than higher entry fees and/or lower entries.

If that rule means a very few foreign players can't compete well that's 2BAD. The $$ raised is more important than that.

WTBA can f-off and quit meddling in the internal affairs of our country.

The international organizations kept bowling from being an open competition sport until just a couple of years ago when every other sport in the Olympics or with Olympics aspirations had opened up in last century.

I have no use for such people who now are trying to tell our USBC what to do.
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Re: Kevin Dornberger---
« Reply #44 on: May 26, 2010, 07:08:08 AM »
And there are some principals more important than getting every last entry out in the USBC OC.

For the benefit of league bowling numbers, I believe a person should have to be a USBC member AND bowl a minimum number of games in a certified league to be eligible for the USBC OC.  That means NO unattached memberships.
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Re: Kevin Dornberger---
« Reply #45 on: May 26, 2010, 10:04:54 AM »
Statement by USBC's Jason Overstreet on a USBC OC thread:

"Based on the structure of the Open Championships as a USBC members only event, USBC’s interpretation of the WTBA statutes is that WTBA certification is not required. An appeal of the WTBA rule is in process. USBC is not sure how long the appeal process will take.

USBC regrets for any inconvenience this may have caused. Any concerned international bowlers should contact USBC directly to discuss their specific circumstances."

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