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Kevin Dornberger---
« on: May 20, 2010, 05:11:42 AM »
And here I thought he wasn't a smart person.. Ohh wait but he is. Drives the USBC straight into ground, then takes over as WTBA President. Ohh and now he is able to release fun stuff like this to screw the USBC and our National tournament.

Side Note this is all over.. Wait for it... Wait.... Yup the fact that you are able to drink during squads. WTBA has a huge policy against that!! I said it in the very beginning when they first announced this damn new thing, that it was going to hurt in the end! Sure enough now it will take away some bowlers and only get worse I am sure.

http://www.talktenpin.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=4862&Itemid=116

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Re: Kevin Dornberger---
« Reply #46 on: May 26, 2010, 10:10:04 AM »
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Statement by USBC's Jason Overstreet on a USBC OC thread:

"Based on the structure of the Open Championships as a USBC members only event, USBC’s interpretation of the WTBA statutes is that WTBA certification is not required. An appeal of the WTBA rule is in process. USBC is not sure how long the appeal process will take.

USBC regrets for any inconvenience this may have caused. Any concerned international bowlers should contact USBC directly to discuss their specific circumstances."

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IMO,I found that answer to be satisfactory. Let's wait and see what happens.
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Re: Kevin Dornberger---
« Reply #47 on: May 26, 2010, 10:57:52 AM »
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"With reference to WTBA Playing Rules 3.7.5 c we have to inform you that the ongoing tournament USBC Open Championship is not approved by WTBA because USBC has chosen not to apply for WTBA approval.
This means that no players from another zone than the American zone (PABCON) are allowed to participate. This is stated in WTBA Playing rules Chapter 3
A tournament cannot be open for players from more than the Zone, where the tournament takes place, unless WTBA approval is given".


The USBC is a member of the WTBA, and, as such, must abide by their rules (or rescind their membership). That said, as long as the USBC is open only to players from the PABCON region (i.e. not asia or europe) then there's no issue. Whether you think that players from outside the Americas (who aren't league bowlers) should be allowed to play in the USBC OC, is not really the point, because they have been allowed in the past. I have an issue with the USBC choosing not to seek WTBA approval, and not making this public. What if people were planning on playing, and have already paid for airfare and hotel? If anyone from outside the PABCON region plays in the USBC OC this year, they are liable to receive sanctions from their own governing body, such as suspension of membership. Hardly fair if they haven't been given all of the information...
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Re: Kevin Dornberger---
« Reply #48 on: May 26, 2010, 11:31:04 AM »
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"With reference to WTBA Playing Rules 3.7.5 c we have to inform you that the ongoing tournament USBC Open Championship is not approved by WTBA because USBC has chosen not to apply for WTBA approval.
This means that no players from another zone than the American zone (PABCON) are allowed to participate. This is stated in WTBA Playing rules Chapter 3
A tournament cannot be open for players from more than the Zone, where the tournament takes place, unless WTBA approval is given".


The USBC is a member of the WTBA, and, as such, must abide by their rules (or rescind their membership). That said, as long as the USBC is open only to players from the PABCON region (i.e. not asia or europe) then there's no issue. Whether you think that players from outside the Americas (who aren't league bowlers) should be allowed to play in the USBC OC, is not really the point, because they have been allowed in the past. I have an issue with the USBC choosing not to seek WTBA approval, and not making this public. What if people were planning on playing, and have already paid for airfare and hotel? If anyone from outside the PABCON region plays in the USBC OC this year, they are liable to receive sanctions from their own governing body, such as suspension of membership. Hardly fair if they haven't been given all of the information...
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3.7.1 It is the responsibility of the players to
a) Make sure that the tournament has been duly approved before entering
b) Be aware of the penalties, which apply when entering in an unapproved tournament
c) Be able to show identity evidence, either in the form of a valid license card or a certifi-cation letter issued by the national federation

The above was taken right from the WTBA rule book.
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Re: Kevin Dornberger---
« Reply #49 on: May 26, 2010, 11:40:31 AM »
So the USBC is appealing this decision to the WTBA. They are awaiting further word.

Yet potentially a bowler could of already bowled or be coming over to bowl before this decision is made. They could bowl this event and then the WTBA deny the appeal and say that this is not a WTBA sanctioned event. Therefore costing that player potentially a suspension from their national team.
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Re: Kevin Dornberger---
« Reply #50 on: May 26, 2010, 12:06:01 PM »
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"With reference to WTBA Playing Rules 3.7.5 c we have to inform you that the ongoing tournament USBC Open Championship is not approved by WTBA because USBC has chosen not to apply for WTBA approval.
This means that no players from another zone than the American zone (PABCON) are allowed to participate. This is stated in WTBA Playing rules Chapter 3
A tournament cannot be open for players from more than the Zone, where the tournament takes place, unless WTBA approval is given".


The USBC is a member of the WTBA, and, as such, must abide by their rules (or rescind their membership). That said, as long as the USBC is open only to players from the PABCON region (i.e. not asia or europe) then there's no issue. Whether you think that players from outside the Americas (who aren't league bowlers) should be allowed to play in the USBC OC, is not really the point, because they have been allowed in the past. I have an issue with the USBC choosing not to seek WTBA approval, and not making this public. What if people were planning on playing, and have already paid for airfare and hotel? If anyone from outside the PABCON region plays in the USBC OC this year, they are liable to receive sanctions from their own governing body, such as suspension of membership. Hardly fair if they haven't been given all of the information...
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That was in response to the U.S. National team being affected.  You can look at my post and see the quote.

National teams from other countries are on their own.  They can stay home and take bracket money from non U.S. bowlers for a change.
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Re: Kevin Dornberger---
« Reply #51 on: May 26, 2010, 12:07:55 PM »
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So the USBC is appealing this decision to the WTBA. They are awaiting further word.

Yet potentially a bowler could of already bowled or be coming over to bowl before this decision is made. They could bowl this event and then the WTBA deny the appeal and say that this is not a WTBA sanctioned event. Therefore costing that player potentially a suspension from their national team.


When in doubt, read 3.7.1, section A. It is very self explanatory.
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Re: Kevin Dornberger---
« Reply #52 on: May 26, 2010, 12:37:59 PM »
Doom,
I attempted to post a reply to Jason Overstreet's post...not sure if it will make it past the mod.

To paraphrase my post...I asked for further clarification of USBC's official position.  While the USBC OC is a "member only" event, ANY individual can become a member simply by purchasing a membership on the spot.  In addition, the USBC Masters and Queens are "member only" events, yet are still approved by the WTBA...and yet again, a membership can be purchased on the spot.

While it appears that there official response is okay, it does seem lacking in many ways.
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Re: Kevin Dornberger---
« Reply #53 on: May 26, 2010, 12:38:49 PM »
One would hope that the folks at WTBA would exercise discretion for foreigners who were caught up in this ... especially considering that USBC did not announce alcohol decision until a few days before tourney.
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Re: Kevin Dornberger---
« Reply #54 on: May 26, 2010, 12:43:26 PM »
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One would hope that the folks at WTBA would exercise discretion for foreigners who were caught up in this ... especially considering that USBC did not announce alcohol decision until a few days before tourney.
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However Riggs. The WTBA was aware of USBC not sanctioning the Open, well in advance of the opening date.
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Re: Kevin Dornberger---
« Reply #55 on: May 26, 2010, 05:47:44 PM »
Does anyone know why the USBC tournament was not sanctioned by WTBA? Has WTBA sanctioned the USBC tournament in previous years?
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Re: Kevin Dornberger---
« Reply #56 on: May 26, 2010, 06:20:37 PM »
The cashman center held the 2009 world women's tournament on the very same lanes as the open.  Is it safe to assume that the open was sanctioned last year?
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Re: Kevin Dornberger---
« Reply #57 on: May 26, 2010, 06:38:08 PM »
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Does anyone know why the USBC tournament was not sanctioned by WTBA? Has WTBA sanctioned the USBC tournament in previous years?
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Did you not read the thread before you posted this?
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Re: Kevin Dornberger---
« Reply #58 on: May 27, 2010, 08:15:40 AM »
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Does anyone know why the USBC tournament was not sanctioned by WTBA? Has WTBA sanctioned the USBC tournament in previous years?
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"Don't worry about voting to ram this bill down their throats. The stupid, idiotic American voters will forget by the time November comes around."


Did you not read the thread before you posted this?


I think it has to do with that "beer" you bought me in Reno.
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Re: Kevin Dornberger---
« Reply #59 on: May 28, 2010, 09:37:28 AM »
Did anyone answer my question whether the 2009 USBC nationals were sanctioned by WTBA?
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