Author Topic: My Experience (Read 8758 times)

Strapper_Squared · « **on:** March 17, 2012, 02:32:00 AM »

Quick report. Bowled the team event tonight. I found the conditions to be nearly impossible. Decided to start outside. Had absolutely zero area. Miss a board outside and missed the head pin right... Missed two plus boards and it was ditch. Going the other way, zero hold. Anything slightly projected off left absolutely took off.
After starting terrible, moved inside and found nothing there.
Several 230+ average bowlers on the pair, high set was 570, and drastically dropped off from there (into the 400's)..

I don't even know what to say right now. Frustrating and disappointing... Not really looking forward to s/d.

S^2

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Edited by Strapper_Squared on 3/17/2012 at 0:33 AM

Impending Doom · « **Reply #121 on:** March 28, 2012, 08:32:57 PM »

What did you expect to shoot?

tog831 wrote on 3/28/2012 6:00 PM:I erased my posts because i was hijacking strrapers thread.I would like to see more reports from people playing this dumb ass pattern.My scores on this pattern was 531 for team,582 for d/s,568 for singles. i don't like some one telling me i don't know how to play a reverse block,nitwits.

*Inventor of the FIBJAM*

The sky is falling

The end is near

The final warning

The sun disappears.

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Andyman3333 · « **Reply #122 on:** March 28, 2012, 09:09:37 PM »

A reverse block has more oil on the outside of the lane than the inside of the lane. This pattern is 2.2 to 1. And flat in the middle. There is less oil outside than there is inside by a 2.2 to 1 ratio. Most house shots are anywhere from 5-1 (USBC White) to 8-1 (USBC Red) to 10-1 (Generic house shot).

The volume is also lower on this pattern than what you normally see on a house shot.

Needless to say, it's not a reverse block, but Bill Hall (Who is giving lessons down there and is pretty accomplished) says that if you don't control your launch angles and play more up the boards, this pattern will feel like a reverse block. But it's not.

I just can't feel sorry for people who don't do their research. There is a lot of valuable information available out there on how to play this pattern. How to attack it. What kind of balls to use. Only a small minority of players will actually take advantage of that. On a side note, two 300 games were shot today on that dumb ass shot. Must be lucky.

Impending Doom wrote on 3/28/2012 6:32 PM:
What did you expect to shoot?

tog831 wrote on 3/28/2012 6:00 PM:
I erased my posts because i was hijacking strrapers thread.I would like to see more reports from people playing this dumb ass pattern.My scores on this pattern was 531 for team,582 for d/s,568 for singles. i don't like some one telling me i don't know how to play a reverse block,nitwits.

*Inventor of the FIBJAM*

The sky is falling

The end is near

The final warning

The sun disappears.

My arsenal

http://www.flickr.com/photos/67160612@N08/

www.brunswickbowling.com
The opinions expressed are solely those of the writer and not of Brunswick Corporation.

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Edited by Andyman3333 on 3/28/2012 at 7:11 PM

mainzer · « **Reply #123 on:** March 28, 2012, 10:26:12 PM »

tog831 wrote on 3/28/2012 6:00 PM:I erased my posts because i was hijacking strrapers thread.I would like to see more reports from people playing this dumb ass pattern.My scores on this pattern was 531 for team,582 for d/s,568 for singles. i don't like some one telling me i don't know how to play a reverse block,nitwits.

So you are right and everyone else is wrong?

The whole point of the tourney is to see who the best is on a demanding pattern
not spray and pray to see who carries better. This may hurt your feelings but it
is true.

And do scores matter? They are only numbers who cares if you bowl on a
THS and average 235 to carry the league high average or bowl on a demanding
pattern average 200 and still be high average. You are the winner either way.

MainzerPower

JessN16 · « **Reply #124 on:** March 28, 2012, 11:48:18 PM »

Just to put a capper on the reverse-block thing so we can all move on:

The lane graph shows a pattern with more oil in the middle than the outside. Therefore, it is not a reverse block.

Anyone saying it is a reverse block either (a) does not know how to read a lane graph, or (b) thinks the USBC is lying, putting down one shot while graphing another.

So we either have a competency issue here, or a conspiracy theory.

What I find to be far more likely is that it's just a tough-a** pattern unfamiliar to those who are complaining about it.

Jess

TWOHAND834 · « **Reply #125 on:** March 29, 2012, 09:38:55 AM »

Why are there scores being shot? It is all about timing and who is in front of you. The 3400 is way bigger than the 300 and 785. The 3400 was on the fresh condition. The doubles score and singles score more than likely came after another squad had already bowled on them and probably burned a little wall to bank the ball off of. I am sure in the minors, with the exception of the 7:00 squad since they get the fresh condition, there is more miss room and still able to hit the pocket. In minors it is all about who is in front of you. This year especially, it seems like if you get on a pair for minors where the people in front of you are either not throwing plastic all over the place or throwing some sandblasted stuff playing gutter to gutter, then there may be an opportunity to post a set worth of getting some money back. BTW....the ANY honor score is still a huge accomplishment. Not trying to downplay the 300s being shot. Just think it is more impressive to post a 3400 on the fresh on that condition.

bhsbigcountry wrote on 3/28/2012 3:38 PM:

notclay wrote on 3/28/2012 10:45 AM:

Thanks for the report, bowlingnut. I have practiced twice on the pattern and it's demanding, but not impossible. I go in 3 weeks and plan on it being difficult, but like you, I love the challenge of tough conditions. Trying to keep the adrenaline in check is always tough at Nationals so I tend to increase the revs and get plenty of splits as a result.

I find it hilarious that the bowler tossed his stuff in the trash and left. He may regret it when he returns home to league play and needs to purchase new shoes, etc.

Lane Carter, Strike Zone Pro Shops - Salt Lake City, Utah

Allstar Lanes

Brunswick Regional Staff

The opinions expressed are solely those of the writer and not of Brunswick Corporation.

You got it right by saying its demanding but not impossible. They are tougher than last year but are not impossible. If they were impossible why have a few guys out there (including a good friend of mine Matthew Tuckfield) shot 300? Why is 785 Leading singles, 1429 leading doubles, and 3401 leading team? I know all about opening up a pattern with team and what not but still if they were impossible why these scores?

Its the same as I said before. Its harder than the house china that so many out there have grown used to. So when House shot Harry goes and bowls where he/she doesnt have free hook to the right and hold in its an automatic response that they are "impossible" and there is no area to miss and all those same excuses. It just kills me reading over and over how impossible they are this and hard they are that. They should be hard and if you dont want to come back and bowl because your ego was bruised becuase you didnt average 220+ then why are you bowling in the first place? If you dont practice and want to learn how to bowl on any condition why should the rest of use that do spend time learning the game bow down to you to make you feel good??

Shawn Naumann

Peace doesnt always have to be silent.

« **Reply #126 on:** March 29, 2012, 11:01:29 AM »

TWOHAND834,

High scores this year are impressive to me, too. Like I said before, not much miss room on the fresh. I have not tried it long enough to break it down by myself.

Lane Carter, Strike Zone Pro Shops - Salt Lake City, Utah

Allstar Lanes

Brunswick Regional Staff

The opinions expressed are solely those of the writer and not of Brunswick Corporation.

bhsbigcountry · « **Reply #127 on:** March 29, 2012, 12:19:08 PM »

I will 100% agree with you that the 3400 is by far the most impressive score so far even though now i think someone shot 2-300's this year already but thats besides the point. It takes good bowlers and great team work to go +400. Yes they did bowl on a fresh condition but through practice and playing them the correct way they created the most amount of area for them. So even though they started on a fresh pair they ended up creating all the miss room they could. To shoot any of those scores I posted from the 3400 to 300 to 785 takes miss room. I dont care who you are or how good you are you still need some miss room to shoot those scores. Thats the reason why their scores kept going up. I wish I was the one bowling s/d after that team. And I also agree with the fact that you are at the mercy of who ever is infront of you. Over the past few years our group has followed both plastic as well as sandblasted sprayers but it is what it is. My main point for showing the scores was to prove that they cant be "impossible" and a "dumb ass" shot that no one can bowl on.

TWOHAND834 wrote on 3/29/2012 7:38 AM:
Why are there scores being shot? It is all about timing and who is in front of you. The 3400 is way bigger than the 300 and 785. The 3400 was on the fresh condition. The doubles score and singles score more than likely came after another squad had already bowled on them and probably burned a little wall to bank the ball off of. I am sure in the minors, with the exception of the 7:00 squad since they get the fresh condition, there is more miss room and still able to hit the pocket. In minors it is all about who is in front of you. This year especially, it seems like if you get on a pair for minors where the people in front of you are either not throwing plastic all over the place or throwing some sandblasted stuff playing gutter to gutter, then there may be an opportunity to post a set worth of getting some money back. BTW....the ANY honor score is still a huge accomplishment. Not trying to downplay the 300s being shot. Just think it is more impressive to post a 3400 on the fresh on that condition.

bhsbigcountry wrote on 3/28/2012 3:38 PM:

notclay wrote on 3/28/2012 10:45 AM:

Thanks for the report, bowlingnut. I have practiced twice on the pattern and it's demanding, but not impossible. I go in 3 weeks and plan on it being difficult, but like you, I love the challenge of tough conditions. Trying to keep the adrenaline in check is always tough at Nationals so I tend to increase the revs and get plenty of splits as a result.

I find it hilarious that the bowler tossed his stuff in the trash and left. He may regret it when he returns home to league play and needs to purchase new shoes, etc.

Lane Carter, Strike Zone Pro Shops - Salt Lake City, Utah

Allstar Lanes

Brunswick Regional Staff

The opinions expressed are solely those of the writer and not of Brunswick Corporation.

You got it right by saying its demanding but not impossible. They are tougher than last year but are not impossible. If they were impossible why have a few guys out there (including a good friend of mine Matthew Tuckfield) shot 300? Why is 785 Leading singles, 1429 leading doubles, and 3401 leading team? I know all about opening up a pattern with team and what not but still if they were impossible why these scores?

Its the same as I said before. Its harder than the house china that so many out there have grown used to. So when House shot Harry goes and bowls where he/she doesnt have free hook to the right and hold in its an automatic response that they are "impossible" and there is no area to miss and all those same excuses. It just kills me reading over and over how impossible they are this and hard they are that. They should be hard and if you dont want to come back and bowl because your ego was bruised becuase you didnt average 220+ then why are you bowling in the first place? If you dont practice and want to learn how to bowl on any condition why should the rest of use that do spend time learning the game bow down to you to make you feel good??

Shawn Naumann

Peace doesnt always have to be silent.

Shawn Naumann

ACES80 · « **Reply #128 on:** March 29, 2012, 02:51:32 PM »

I am going to natonals for first time, i avg 202 in two leagues on a ths. i am more of a stroker, med speed, med revs. i like to play down and in if possible, but will play inside and swing it a little if need be. reason for first time is, baton rouge is the closest it's been to my location since i retired from the navy and moved back to illinois. i am going down there with the goal of just to have fun, and enjoy the experience, and the atmosphere. however i do want to bowl respectable, not embarass myself, or teammates. i want to keep the ball on the lane, and convert all the spares possible, and keep it out of the gutter,lol. i am going to bring my 2 favorite balls, anarchy, and victory road. really looking forward to this trip, we bowl on the 17th of april team 8:30pm, and 18th s/d 5:30 pm. i have really enjoyed the info on this post, thanks to all of you.

"GO NAVY, BEAT ARMY"

Steven Root
Woodhull, Illinois

bhsbigcountry · « **Reply #129 on:** March 29, 2012, 04:45:38 PM »

good luck on your trip out there. I hope bowl well, have fun and can win some money.

ACES80 wrote on 3/29/2012 12:51 PM:
I am going to natonals for first time, i avg 202 in two leagues on a ths. i am more of a stroker, med speed, med revs. i like to play down and in if possible, but will play inside and swing it a little if need be. reason for first time is, baton rouge is the closest it's been to my location since i retired from the navy and moved back to illinois. i am going down there with the goal of just to have fun, and enjoy the experience, and the atmosphere. however i do want to bowl respectable, not embarass myself, or teammates. i want to keep the ball on the lane, and convert all the spares possible, and keep it out of the gutter,lol. i am going to bring my 2 favorite balls, anarchy, and victory road. really looking forward to this trip, we bowl on the 17th of april team 8:30pm, and 18th s/d 5:30 pm. i have really enjoyed the info on this post, thanks to all of you.

"GO NAVY, BEAT ARMY"
Steven Root
Woodhull, Illinois

Shawn Naumann

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