Author Topic: My Experience (Read 8760 times)

Strapper_Squared · « **on:** March 17, 2012, 02:32:00 AM »

Quick report. Bowled the team event tonight. I found the conditions to be nearly impossible. Decided to start outside. Had absolutely zero area. Miss a board outside and missed the head pin right... Missed two plus boards and it was ditch. Going the other way, zero hold. Anything slightly projected off left absolutely took off.
After starting terrible, moved inside and found nothing there.
Several 230+ average bowlers on the pair, high set was 570, and drastically dropped off from there (into the 400's)..

I don't even know what to say right now. Frustrating and disappointing... Not really looking forward to s/d.

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BigBaller · « **Reply #16 on:** March 18, 2012, 03:37:39 PM »

I shot 395 in singles... I had no shot. I would have been better off firing it off the corner...

I could have hooked plastic like belmo on what i had to play on.

I liked the shot in team. And the way i roll the ball i had a great look @ 15-7... It really played like a house shot for me once i moved inside my teamates... They didn't care none of them average over 200 and have no idea about lane carving. I am at 215 and really i keep us out of classified team. I go for the fun of it and i could never bail on them. Usually i shoot 600 in team and then 550-575 doubles and then decent 6 in singles but not this year.

My team is really the ultimate team. They have no idea what condition is out there and i really don't think they care. They all have slow speed medium revs, except for me.

I enjoy the challenge. But i am looking forward to fresh oil for minors next year.

Obviously you were not listening to your ball...

Russell · « **Reply #17 on:** March 18, 2012, 05:51:31 PM »

I missed where this is a "league" bowler's tournament? This is the USBC National Championship. The best are supposed to win...and in the team event it's the team that has the most talent and utilizes that combination of talent the best.

If someone gets their little ego inflated and then gets it popped shooting 395 in singles....maybe they need to learn to make better shots. Bowling is dying because we are handing out 220 averages and honor scores like candy. The ratio of people who can throw it right with their eyes closed as opposed to shotmakers who can actually play is ridiculous.

If you don't like to have to throw good shots...stick to your bumper bowling. I can guarantee you if they make the lanes soft and it takes 2400+ to win USBC will put the final nails in the coffin of this great game. Sorry to be brutally honest...but the truth hurts. I shot 126 in team event 1st game 2 years ago...and I deserved every pin of it. I didn't complain about the shot being too hard, I got home and worked on my timing so I wouldn't embarass the s**t out of myself the next year.

Xx 12 X 300 xX wrote on 3/18/2012 12:50 PM:But its a "league" bowlers tournament. There is no team playing in league bowling. The shot is wide open and you play where you play and you score as high as you can for your team. Your hosting a tournament for the mass members of the organization and then making them bowl a pattern that they have zero confidence in and nowhere near their comfort zone.

A tougher shot is fine for a tournament that is not for "league" bowlers. Your doing them a disservice if you put something out there that embarrasses them.

Somebody in another thread said they shot 395 in singles. Come on now, this is a good experience for the regular "league" bowlers?

Other than a vacation this tournament now is a delusional event if your not a "professional" amateur.

The USBC could do a better job with the lane conditions, and the embarrassment factor. That's all I am saying.

There is nothing wrong with a sport condition that plays around the 10 board, or track areas. The traditional scoring zones for league bowlers. When you start bumping them outside of that area, and creating mass chaos than there is going to be lots of low numbers. But you can spend $120 and your team can learn how not to embarrass themselves too bad.

Edited by Xx 12 X 300 xX on 3/18/2012 at 1:02 PM

Edited by Xx 12 X 300 xX on 3/18/2012 at 1:03 PM

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kidlost2000 · « **Reply #18 on:** March 18, 2012, 07:24:07 PM »

Really good bowlers win this tournament. Part of that also has to do with the fact they spend a lot of time in advance practicing on the shot before they go. The more you bowl on any shot no matter how tough, the better your chances. After bowling there I know exactly what few changes I would make and score much better then I did.

If you wanted to make things a little more fair for everyone, don't release the oil pattern. That would make it much harder for teams to strategize what they are going to do and practice on it regularly till they go bowl the event. It is a simple solution.

"1 of 1."

Russell · « **Reply #19 on:** March 18, 2012, 07:30:06 PM »

kidlost I agree with you on that point. I will say though that with the internet age and the amount of information that can spread quickly....one of 2 things would happen:

- The pattern would get leaked...enraging people that aren't privy to that knowledge....

- NOONE would want to bowl before June....they would want every chance possible to hear how to play the lanes before going. If you were stuck bowling early you would be at an even bigger disadvantage.

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BigBaller · « **Reply #20 on:** March 18, 2012, 07:49:13 PM »

Russell, i never once complained about shooting 395 in singles. I don't feel bad about shooting 395 and my ego was never over inflated. I know what i need to work on so that never happens again. I didn't have the right equipment to shoot on that burnt of a lane.

We bowl on the 11:40 burn every year. This year was my worst ever. I shot 7 in singles in Vegas playing about the same place i was in BR. The difference was leaving splits. I felt like i was rolling the ball well i just couldn't get the ball to the pocket.

Obviously you were not listening to your ball...

Russell · « **Reply #21 on:** March 18, 2012, 08:52:57 PM »

My fault didn't mean to lump you in with that. Not meant as a personal jab at you. I know that's far below what you have shot in the past, and you weren't complaining about the lanes. I kind of lumped your situation in with someone else's comments....

Sorry..

BigBaller wrote on 3/18/2012 5:49 PM:Russell, i never once complained about shooting 395 in singles. I don't feel bad about shooting 395 and my ego was never over inflated. I know what i need to work on so that never happens again. I didn't have the right equipment to shoot on that burnt of a lane.

We bowl on the 11:40 burn every year. This year was my worst ever. I shot 7 in singles in Vegas playing about the same place i was in BR. The difference was leaving splits. I felt like i was rolling the ball well i just couldn't get the ball to the pocket.

Obviously you were not listening to your ball...

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BowlingTourney · « **Reply #22 on:** March 18, 2012, 09:42:08 PM »

...and welcome to the Internet where one person's opinion quickly spins to a majority.

I am 50/50 at the moment. 50% of my ABC/USBC tournaments have ended in embarassment. 50% of my tournaments have been pretty decent years. Yet I look forward each and every year to having another good year. I could care less what they put out, or where they host it (save for Billings), or how I might bowl on it. I am going to be there. That is all that should matter. Shoe up and compete / participate.

Russell wrote on 3/18/2012 6:52 PM:My fault didn't mean to lump you in with that. Not meant as a personal jab at you. I know that's far below what you have shot in the past, and you weren't complaining about the lanes. I kind of lumped your situation in with someone else's comments....

Sorry..
BigBaller wrote on 3/18/2012 5:49 PM:Russell, i never once complained about shooting 395 in singles. I don't feel bad about shooting 395 and my ego was never over inflated. I know what i need to work on so that never happens again. I didn't have the right equipment to shoot on that burnt of a lane.

We bowl on the 11:40 burn every year. This year was my worst ever. I shot 7 in singles in Vegas playing about the same place i was in BR. The difference was leaving splits. I felt like i was rolling the ball well i just couldn't get the ball to the pocket.

Obviously you were not listening to your ball...

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kidlost2000 · « **Reply #23 on:** March 18, 2012, 10:04:11 PM »

Theres always gonna be ways to get an advantage but if you have a center that is willing to put out the shot often and bowl on your scores will greatly reflect that. Id bet most of the top scores have bowled on the shot at least a few times. I will try harder to get that advantage next time.

"1 of 1."

tburky · « **Reply #24 on:** March 18, 2012, 10:37:29 PM »

This tournament always has been and always will be that the best bowlers win and that is the way it should be. The best bowlers make the shots that they need to score because they are able to repeat shots, something the typical house bowler can't do.

Strapper_Squared · « **Reply #25 on:** March 19, 2012, 09:56:58 AM »

Wow... Check back and 15 more posts!

I attend for a vacation and a chance to see other parts of the country (Reno about 5x) and catch up with a few people that I see once a year. I don't expect to win or cash, although have been lucky a few times and received entry fees back. I don't get into brackets because I can't complete with people that dump $500 to $1000 in a set(they do it expecting to win). This is partially because I bowl 3 games a week and partially because I just don't have the consistency/ability to bowl at that level. Do I enjoy shooting 450 sets? Not really. Is there much of a difference between shooting 450 vs 600? Not really.

As far as the true "league bowlers tournament," I might argue this is more at the city, association, or state level tournaments. At the national level, you should expect the best/most talented bowlers.

Scott

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ozsweet · « **Reply #26 on:** March 19, 2012, 10:25:57 AM »

we will see what happens today at 2:30. I watched the 2 usa supports in minors yesterday - made it look pretty easy but still saw highs and lows. bottom line was always hit the back end of the far tracer on 10 with hand some hand and you struck.

my two cents on conditions (and my game is bad and I have "practiced" in years):

unless we are going to 3 divisions or not allowing regional and former tour players, it cannot be much different than it is. I am not taking sides as I would love to shoot better but bottom line is this is NOT a handicap tournament and 90% or more of the entrants need hdcp to compete with the best bowlers.

Just bowl!

TWOHAND834 · « **Reply #27 on:** March 19, 2012, 10:39:43 AM »

This is a catch 22 for the USBC and we can see both sides. On one side, they lay down a tough shot like this year and the "league bowlers" have zero chance to do much of anything. Your 200+ league bowlers are going to leave there shooting 1500 when they typically may shoot 1700-1900 in years past. They get discouraged and decide that the $1000+ spent on the trip isnt worth it and they dont go back. The argument here is that you just laid down a PBAish pattern for an amateur tournament. The irony: The USBC has their own patterns (red, white, blue) and they havent used either one of them.

On the other side, they lay out something closer to a 3:1 ratio pattern and the scores are the way they were the past few years; 2300+ winning all events and we have someone shooting 860 in singles, which is ridiculous. Then the guys averaging 230+ in league are frustrated because they feel 2000 should garner them a pretty fat check and they walk away only profitting a few hundred for the trip because alot of other people are also shooting 2000+.

The lane condition should be tough but not cater to any one style. I believe the reason that USBC went to a 2:1 pattern is simply to take bowling balls out of the equation. I think that putting an out of bounds where a miss right of 7 could garner you a 3 count is a bit excessive because now you take the guy with a 200 rev rate and tell him "Thanks for coming." USBC should understand that every year, there are people going out for the first time to try a new experience. If the 190 league bowlers proceeds to go out and shoot 1300; can the USBC really blame them if they never want to go back? I am sure that happens regardless. Granted I have not been out this year yet, but it seems like the guys that win every year are the ones capable of playing inside 4th arrow.

IMO......pretty soon the USBC should go to 3 divisions as opposed to two (regular and classified). There should be a 180 and below division, a 181-210 division, and then a 211 and above division. I think that is the only real way to make it fair for everybody. Reason is because can we really expect guys averaging in the 180s to be in the same division as someone on the level of PBA Regional Players and former National Touring Players and expect them to enjoy it each year? Granted that probably means less money in the divisions. However, it could attract even more bowlers out because they know they are playing against other on their own level. I just hope that USBC still realizes that this is an AMATEUR tournament. Just a thought........

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Pinbuster · « **Reply #28 on:** March 19, 2012, 10:50:48 AM »

This will be my 26th National tournament.

I have done OK over the years but in recent years I have struggled some. I used to go more for the vacation but now with going to Reno half the time I am considering stopping.

Centers around here have put out the shot for some practice time. But while it definitely is not a house shot it doesn't seem close to replicating the tournament condition.

I have bowled with and against many PBA champions, Major Champions, and Eagle winners. I have no delusions that I'm nearly that good.

This used to be the championship for the non professional bowler. But as bowling has declined over the last 25 years the line between professional and amateur has blurred to the point that I don't know why they don't open it too all PBA members in any combinations they want.

And while the classified division has kept the tournament growing, it allows for unscrupulous to manipulate their averages to get in and pillage the event and makes for a monitoring nightmare.

The USBC continues to lose money and they are trying to use this tournament to fund their national operations. I hope they don't kill this golden goose. Because without the aveage Joe Bowler going it would become just a national pot game for a handfull of the top bowlers.

stopncrank · « **Reply #29 on:** March 19, 2012, 11:39:19 AM »

I can see both sides of this arguement. The lanes need to be tough, and it should be it's Nats. With that said, I agree its a catch 22 in that yes tougher shots will bruise egos, sometimes to the point that alot of folks will think twice about poneying up money for airlines, hotels, entry fees etc. Theres a fine line there, making the experience seem like work for most nowdays will turn them away.

Wheres the line in the sand? I dont have an answer, but I see it every week even at the local level, why should we be surprised when we see it at the National level? If you make it too tough, combined with travel expenses and a tough economy its only a matter of time before folks choose to stay home, then folks will complain about poor payouts and nobody wanting to compete.

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tburky · « **Reply #30 on:** March 19, 2012, 11:44:13 AM »

The main reason I quit bowling greater tulsa open, southwest in wichita, and greater ozarks open in springfield, mo is that the lane conditions are getting too easy. If you have very little or no handicap you're screwed because because 160-180 average bowlers are shooting 700+. The point I am trying to make is this. Why make the Nationals lane condition easy? The Nationals should always be a test of skill. There are divisions to separate the bowlers. There is no need to make the lanes easier. Can't people for 1 time a year bowl on a challenging conditions.

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