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Gene J Kanak

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My OC trip report 2017
« on: May 12, 2017, 11:46:04 AM »
If you've read my posts in the past, you'll know that I'm long-winded, so if you're not down for that, turn back now; you've been warned!

Travel - I still think that Southwest is the best option for bowlers since you can use the two "free" checked bags to account for your equipment. All in all, other than waking up mid-flight to find a strange woman's head on my shoulder as she napped, I have no complaints regarding travel. In fact, I like that Southwest now has kiosks for you print your own bag tags before going up to the counter (at Chicago Midway). It seemed to save time.

Hotel - I stayed with a buddy of mine at Mandalay Bay. Obviously, it's quite pricey. My share for the two nights I stayed was roughly $250. Still, it's a nice hotel, and if you're looking for a quality pool scene during down time, you'll be hard-pressed to find a better spot.

Gambling - Why do I bother? You know how Dick Allen calls himself THB (Typical House Bowler)? I'm going to call myself NBL, Natural Born Loser. I should've given them half of what I was going to bet, gone out back and let them kick me in the nuts and then called it a day. I don't think Syracuse is known for casinos, so maybe I can save a few hundred bucks next year!

SouthPoint - We've all heard that getting around that facility is something of a pain, and I can't say I disagree. Getting your stuff from the entrance to the regular bowling center for practice, from the regular center to the arena for the event, and then from the arena down to the sports book for bracket payouts is less than fun.

Now, with all of that being said, the arena itself is a very nice center. I king of like the back-to-back layout as opposed to having 60 lanes all in a row. I had zero complaints about the actual center. The racks were good, the approaches presented no issues, etc. The only think I didn't like was the march out. They march everyone out one way. If you're on the other side, you have to basically do a lap around the arena to get to your starting lanes. I did that with a 3-ball tote in each arm and my carry-on suitcase (since I had to go straight to the airport from bowling). That wasn't fun!

Squad room/weigh in - Everything was pretty much status quo there. Nothing really jumped out as being better or worse than previous years. One thing that I think was different was that each scale operator had a drill press behind them. I assume that would've allowed them to make subtle adjustments to balls that came in out of spec. In the past, I know that I had to run out and hit a booth when that happened to me, so I thought that was convenient. One oddity though was that I saw 2-3 bowlers have balls double-checked or disallowed on Day 2 after having been sent through without issues the day before. I guess it just depends on the scale operators day to day.

Team Practice - It's held in the main SouthPoint center, and, as always, I think it's a great benefit. It really gives you a handle on the shape of the pattern, ball choices, surface adjustments, etc. To me, they hooked a bit more in practice than they did in the arena, but the difference wasn't drastic.

Team
Scores - 173-136-160 - 469  - 2545\
Balls used - Hyroad (1000); IQ Tour Solid (2000); Black Widow Spare (Box)

I started out like we did in practice trying to go up 4-5. The shot was there though, as I said earlier, I felt like that area played tighter in the arena than it did during practice. As advertised, the shot is tricky. Playing up the extreme outside like that is difficult. You have to keep the ball in front of you because if you get it moving away, it's going in the ditch all day long. The plan was to stay out as long as possible and keep the moves as subtle as can be by balling down so as not to have to mess with the middle of the lane, which was really hooking. Sadly, our group lost its discipline as we had guys moving in pretty quickly. As you can imagine, that made things quite difficult. Now, I was surprised at how far left I was able to eventually get on that pattern, but the look was never great because there was no hold in, and I had over under getting it back to the pocket.

However, the biggest issue was right-side spare shooting. Knowing that the oil at Nationals is usually way slicker than what I see at home, I thought I could get away with bringing my Black Widow Spare, a cored spare ball. That was a mistake. There is a lot of friction in the middle of the lane, so that ball picked up just enough to make 6 pins, 10 pins, and the like trickier than they should have been. I should've just brought my Target Zone. That's probably my biggest regret. Now, if you're throwing end over end, you can get the ball to the right. However, if you're used to being able to throw your plastic the same way you throw your strike ball and have it glide to the right, be wary. If you have some hand, that won't work here.

Doubles
Scores - 169-144-203 - 516 - 1026
Balls used - Edge Solid (1000); IQ Tour Solid (2000)

This set was really frustrating as I really threw the ball well that first game and a half despite the terrible scores. I attempted to start off playing them the same way we had the day before, going as straight as possible up 5-7 or so. Being that I'd heard minors was a bit longer/heavier, I balled up to an Edge Solid at 1000 grit. I really focused on keeping my speed soft and going up the back of the ball to keep it from going crazy off the spot. The look was good, and the ball read beautifully. Sadly, I couldn't get it to carry. I went flush pocket 7 times and only carried three of those hits. Add in more pitiful spare shooting on my part, and a game that felt like 220 resulted in another sub 170 game.

I stuck with the Edge until I blasted a pocket 7-10 in about the third frame of Game 2. From there, I started creeping further and further left with the IQ Tour. Sadly, I found several opens and very few strikes before finally finding a home. Game 3 was better as my look was getting better as I continued slowly migrating left. Despite another gaff or two, I managed to grind out a 203 for my first decent score of the tournament.

Singles
Scores - 157-243-217 - 617
Balls used - IQ Tour Solid (2000)

One of my biggest struggles when I bowl no-thumb is maintaining consistent axis rotation. This game epitomized that because although my look was still good, release inconsistencies caused varying reactions, some splits, and very strikes. That led to another solid -43 start. To my credit (I deserve very little), I actually stayed composed and just focused on making better shots, and, for the most part, I did from that point forward. I started Game 2 with a four-bagger before a shaky release led to a partial bucket. I thought I made the spare, but I left one behind. Other than that, only a solid 8-pin and high-flush four pin kept me from striking. Still, 243 is a good score in that environment, so I was happy to take it.

As I had been, I just kept moving slightly left as I went on to Game 3. By that point, I was basically playing 20 to 8-9 or so, and the look was pretty good. The extra length of this pattern gave me a touch of hold if I was in, and I had no problem getting the ball back with authority as long as my release was good.

All told, I finished with 1602 for all-events, which is the third lowest effort I've had in my 8 years at the tournament. Still, considering I didn't shoot anything above 175 for the first five games, I guess I can't complain too much when it was all said and done.

Like always, this tournament is tough. There are no magic bowling ball or inside tip that is going to get you to a big score. You have to be a good player, one who can repeat shots in regard to accuracy, rev rate, axis tilt, etc. If you're capable of doing that, you'll do just fine because both patterns are more than playable. If you're a normal house hack like me who is somewhat inconsistent in the aforementioned areas, you're likely to struggle at various points because these conditions are far from forgiving. Then again, that's what this tournament is supposed to be about, showing us all what it really means to be a good bowler.

If you have questions that I have failed to answer during this manifesto, feel free to send them my way. Thanks for reading.

 

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Re: My OC trip report 2017
« Reply #46 on: May 26, 2017, 10:34:07 PM »
If you're a shotmaker you can play out with urethane in D/S. 

I wouldn't consider myself a shotmaker, but I used Urethane all 3 in Team for 200-220-200 - 632.. In D/S we had a wicked hook spot on 33 that I threw my urethane at to get it to change direction and used a 2000 Primal Rage Remix dead up the lane along the same line (was playing up 3 4 5)..  Shot 200-220-200 - 634 in doubles and 200-220-180 - 608ish in singles (missed a 4-7, greek church, and 3-9 in the 7th 9th and 10th. The last game.  Attribute that to fatigue as we finished at 2am (5est))..  I also used the black hammer in the last game of the Bowlers Journal with a better look than I had in the Plaza to finish 243 - 603..  All 9 game I was sliding around 10 looking at the gutter or 1-3 with my eyes..   I used the black hammer at 500 for all my spares and had no issues, my only misses were the three I mentioned, 1 wash out, 2 splits, and a mental mistake on a 5 pin.

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Re: My OC trip report 2017
« Reply #47 on: May 26, 2017, 10:50:13 PM »
If you're a shotmaker you can play out with urethane in D/S. 

I wouldn't consider myself a shotmaker, but I used Urethane all 3 in Team for 200-220-200 - 632.. In D/S we had a wicked hook spot on 33 that I threw my urethane at to get it to change direction and used a 2000 Primal Rage Remix dead up the lane along the same line (was playing up 3 4 5)..  Shot 200-220-200 - 634 in doubles and 200-220-180 - 608ish in singles (missed a 4-7, greek church, and 3-9 in the 7th 9th and 10th. The last game.  Attribute that to fatigue as we finished at 2am (5est))..  I also used the black hammer in the last game of the Bowlers Journal with a better look than I had in the Plaza to finish 243 - 603..  All 9 game I was sliding around 10 looking at the gutter or 1-3 with my eyes..   I used the black hammer at 500 for all my spares and had no issues, my only misses were the three I mentioned, 1 wash out, 2 splits, and a mental mistake on a 5 pin.

Nice bowling.  Those late night sets are tough if you are from the East Coast. :)

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Re: My OC trip report 2017
« Reply #48 on: May 28, 2017, 08:45:30 PM »
just got done subbing for doubles/singles. The shot is tough but playable. I shot 525 & 540, just didn't throw the ball very well. Had 10 opens for the 6 games, only missed 3 makeable spares. Couldn't string any strikes together. Left 6 2-pins, 5 or 6 10-pins, 3 7-pins, a couple 9s and a couple 4s. Never threw more than a double, probably doubled 6 times in the 6 games.

I was on lanes 5 & 6, lane 5 was about 5 boards tighter than lane 6. First 2 games of doubles i left 5 single 2 pins on what I thought were decent shots out of my hand.

What was a little odd to me was my best look was actually with my Ridiculous Pearl. It seemed the quicker response to friction was more beneficial to me. The bigger scores I saw were from guys with hand playing inside. In hindsight I wish I had fixed the grip on my Grudge Pearl so I could have had that ball to throw.

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Re: My OC trip report 2017
« Reply #49 on: May 28, 2017, 09:07:10 PM »
Faster response in D/S  seems about right. Not in team, though.

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Re: My OC trip report 2017
« Reply #50 on: May 29, 2017, 09:34:22 AM »
We had a pair in D/S (think it was 17-18), where the left lane had a hang spot near the range finder that just would not react.  It made throwing a double pretty challenging.  If missed outside a bit - was looking at 6 or 7 at the arrows, there was no recovery.  We even tried to break it down a bit with surface warm ups plus game 1.  It just never responded ...almost seem to get tighter.  So I just bumped inside a few boards and had a decent look - outside of the left lane hang spot.
Absolutely atrocious spare shooting (for whatever reason, seems like any time I go to nationals, I have never thrown at a spare before).  I think I had 12 opens and shot 520 in doubles.
For singles, the insides began to dry up, plus by that point, everyone on the pair was frustrated and seemed to migrate all over.  One guy had a decent look hitting 15 with a little belly out to about 12 or 10.  But he had to hit it misses any further outside were gone.  I had a decent look there, but had to move a little deeper inside to get the ball down the lane.  At this point, I had to be perfect downlane to get a consistent move back to the pocket.  Didn't seem like I hit flush much at all during singles.  Combine with a continuation of poor spare shooting and it wasn't too pretty.
I threw a pin down Fix for all of team, and most of s/d.  At 1000 the surface was a good match for team.  I wish I had a stronger cover for S/D. 

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Re: My OC trip report 2017
« Reply #51 on: May 30, 2017, 11:57:54 AM »
Just got back from Vegas, and all the responses on here are indeed accurate! I did not bowl up to my potential however, and have no good news to report! I basically shot 550 in Team, Dbls and Sgls! I got zero help from my team mates!

I had a great look in Teams, but failed to convert my single pin spares. 5 strikes and 5 opens for a 153. But my consistency with playing the same target paid off, finishing with a 192, and 205! These were the only two games I linked some strikes together.

Started off playing right in dbls and sgls, which garnered me a nice 213 game, but waited way too long to move left and add hand! So the last two games were some garbage 170ish games. Total 1653AE.

Everyone in my squad hated the Teams shot, but I loved the challenge of it. I learned a lot. At one point they started calling me "Rabbit" because of all the lucky looking strikes I got, but those came because of the piece I had.

Oh yeah! Kudos to Northface and JHutch with them scores! You guys ROCK!

Those lanes humbled a bunch of my friends carrying 220+ averages!! All you could hear was whining and crying........and then absolute silence, and shaking of heads!!
LOL! I would definitely do it again, but next time I'll have more ball choices to work with. I only took three, when I could have used 5!!!

Oh yeah! I got to see Dick Traber, and Brian Himmler bowl. Traber treated dbsl and sgls like it was a house shot! He went 203-195- 206, or something close to that. Wasn't much of a problem for him at all. Now, I don't know how much he wagered but Jason Couch only cleared $25 in brackets.....so we are not alone!
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Re: My OC trip report 2017
« Reply #52 on: May 30, 2017, 01:33:24 PM »
Just got back from Vegas, and all the responses on here are indeed accurate! I did not bowl up to my potential however, and have no good news to report! I basically shot 550 in Team, Dbls and Sgls! I got zero help from my team mates!

I had a great look in Teams, but failed to convert my single pin spares. 5 strikes and 5 opens for a 153. But my consistency with playing the same target paid off, finishing with a 192, and 205! These were the only two games I linked some strikes together.

Started off playing right in dbls and sgls, which garnered me a nice 213 game, but waited way too long to move left and add hand! So the last two games were some garbage 170ish games. Total 1653AE.

Everyone in my squad hated the Teams shot, but I loved the challenge of it. I learned a lot. At one point they started calling me "Rabbit" because of all the lucky looking strikes I got, but those came because of the piece I had.

Oh yeah! Kudos to Northface and JHutch with them scores! You guys ROCK!

Those lanes humbled a bunch of my friends carrying 220+ averages!! All you could hear was whining and crying........and then absolute silence, and shaking of heads!!
LOL! I would definitely do it again, but next time I'll have more ball choices to work with. I only took three, when I could have used 5!!!

Oh yeah! I got to see Dick Traber, and Brian Himmler bowl. Traber treated dbsl and sgls like it was a house shot! He went 203-195- 206, or something close to that. Wasn't much of a problem for him at all. Now, I don't know how much he wagered but Jason Couch only cleared $25 in brackets.....so we are not alone!

You were there when Himmler was there? So was I. He did not bowl all that well. The St Louis guys made them look really easy. (Casey Murphy, Mike Mineman etc) As did a few guys on my team. My teammate had an eagle winning look slamming 740/740 in D/S. Another teammate of mine had the front 9 in singles as well. So if you break them down right, you can put up huge scores.
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« Reply #53 on: May 30, 2017, 02:57:17 PM »
Mineman drilled my stuff until I left St Louis 2 years ago....he is slightly good at bowling and drilling. Considering he had 1999 AE this year with a 589 in team.....umm...1410 for doubles/singles. Finished 218-280-257 for 755 in singles.


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« Reply #54 on: May 30, 2017, 04:14:28 PM »
Just got back from Vegas, and all the responses on here are indeed accurate! I did not bowl up to my potential however, and have no good news to report! I basically shot 550 in Team, Dbls and Sgls! I got zero help from my team mates!

I had a great look in Teams, but failed to convert my single pin spares. 5 strikes and 5 opens for a 153. But my consistency with playing the same target paid off, finishing with a 192, and 205! These were the only two games I linked some strikes together.

Started off playing right in dbls and sgls, which garnered me a nice 213 game, but waited way too long to move left and add hand! So the last two games were some garbage 170ish games. Total 1653AE.

Everyone in my squad hated the Teams shot, but I loved the challenge of it. I learned a lot. At one point they started calling me "Rabbit" because of all the lucky looking strikes I got, but those came because of the piece I had.

Oh yeah! Kudos to Northface and JHutch with them scores! You guys ROCK!

Those lanes humbled a bunch of my friends carrying 220+ averages!! All you could hear was whining and crying........and then absolute silence, and shaking of heads!!
LOL! I would definitely do it again, but next time I'll have more ball choices to work with. I only took three, when I could have used 5!!!

Oh yeah! I got to see Dick Traber, and Brian Himmler bowl. Traber treated dbsl and sgls like it was a house shot! He went 203-195- 206, or something close to that. Wasn't much of a problem for him at all. Now, I don't know how much he wagered but Jason Couch only cleared $25 in brackets.....so we are not alone!

You were there when Himmler was there? So was I. He did not bowl all that well. The St Louis guys made them look really easy. (Casey Murphy, Mike Mineman etc) As did a few guys on my team. My teammate had an eagle winning look slamming 740/740 in D/S. Another teammate of mine had the front 9 in singles as well. So if you break them down right, you can put up huge scores.

Oooh, WOW! So that was on Monday or Tuesday, right?
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« Reply #55 on: May 30, 2017, 08:31:05 PM »
I bowled Monday and Tuesday.
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Re: My OC trip report 2017
« Reply #56 on: May 30, 2017, 10:33:52 PM »
Just got back from Vegas, and all the responses on here are indeed accurate! I did not bowl up to my potential however, and have no good news to report! I basically shot 550 in Team, Dbls and Sgls! I got zero help from my team mates!

I had a great look in Teams, but failed to convert my single pin spares. 5 strikes and 5 opens for a 153. But my consistency with playing the same target paid off, finishing with a 192, and 205! These were the only two games I linked some strikes together.

Started off playing right in dbls and sgls, which garnered me a nice 213 game, but waited way too long to move left and add hand! So the last two games were some garbage 170ish games. Total 1653AE.

Everyone in my squad hated the Teams shot, but I loved the challenge of it. I learned a lot. At one point they started calling me "Rabbit" because of all the lucky looking strikes I got, but those came because of the piece I had.

Oh yeah! Kudos to Northface and JHutch with them scores! You guys ROCK!

Those lanes humbled a bunch of my friends carrying 220+ averages!! All you could hear was whining and crying........and then absolute silence, and shaking of heads!!
LOL! I would definitely do it again, but next time I'll have more ball choices to work with. I only took three, when I could have used 5!!!

Oh yeah! I got to see Dick Traber, and Brian Himmler bowl. Traber treated dbsl and sgls like it was a house shot! He went 203-195- 206, or something close to that. Wasn't much of a problem for him at all. Now, I don't know how much he wagered but Jason Couch only cleared $25 in brackets.....so we are not alone!

You were there when Himmler was there? So was I. He did not bowl all that well. The St Louis guys made them look really easy. (Casey Murphy, Mike Mineman etc) As did a few guys on my team. My teammate had an eagle winning look slamming 740/740 in D/S. Another teammate of mine had the front 9 in singles as well. So if you break them down right, you can put up huge scores.

We bowled on 33 and 34, Minneman Rodgers, et.. We're on 35-36..was fun watching them bowl.. Brad Miller was a few pairs down and Himmler was a little further to the right..

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« Reply #57 on: May 30, 2017, 11:09:16 PM »
The high side lanes 31-60 has definitely seemed like the higher scoring side of the pavilion during the 4-5 events I've bowled there

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« Reply #58 on: May 31, 2017, 08:37:31 AM »
The high side lanes 31-60 has definitely seemed like the higher scoring side of the pavilion during the 4-5 events I've bowled there

 I have to agree with you there! When I came back later in the week, there were two doubles teams putting up outrageous numbers on 31-32. I forgot to ask where they were from, but they threw so many strikes, the scoreboard stopped operating, LOL!

One guy already had 680 posted, and the other guy was working on a 300, through the seventh frame. Later on I found out he finished with a 278!! those were definitely the lanes to be on.
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Re: My OC trip report 2017
« Reply #59 on: May 31, 2017, 11:49:16 PM »
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Oh yeah! I got to see Dick Traber, and Brian Himmler bowl. Traber treated dbsl and sgls like it was a house shot! He went 203-195- 206, or something close to that. Wasn't much of a problem for him at all. Now, I don't know how much he wagered but Jason Couch only cleared $25 in brackets.....so we are not alone!

I bowled S/D with Dave Traber!  He only missed the pocket a handful of times over 6 games - didn't carry anything though.  It was almost comical towards the end.
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« Reply #60 on: June 01, 2017, 01:42:15 AM »
Both shots were extremely difficult. It will expose any flaws that you have in your game. And mine is missing left. THS around here usually dump so much oil in the middle that over the course of a year you don't really realize how many shots you tug or get on the side of it early and it doesn't go right. It was just one of those shots that penalized every mistake and I made a ton :D

The shot was very playable from a few different angles, you just could not miss. There were many times where I hit the same spot, but I was off in my speed and/or release and pocket hits turned to washouts and splits. 9/ was hard to come by and I left a lot of pins out there not focusing 100% on every non-split spare.

It was super fun bowling with Strapper & Dave Traber. It was amazing watching him hit the same spot over and over and not even get rewarded with a double. Lane 17 definitely had a hang spot downlane that made it impossible to get the proper angle through the pins. Your window was so tiny. Watching some of the best bowlers from my hometown the week after me come in and struggle was amazing to see as well. The higher side does look like it has a lot more friction in the middle. I was looking for some extra "friction" all weekend but couldn't find it. That ICE oil they're using is very hard to break down.

It's really amazing watching the people who whacked em. Dbum, from here went +170-something I believe, using a purple hammer mostly. Big time hats off to the people here who put up big numbers.