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My OC trip report 2017
« on: May 12, 2017, 11:46:04 AM »
If you've read my posts in the past, you'll know that I'm long-winded, so if you're not down for that, turn back now; you've been warned!

Travel - I still think that Southwest is the best option for bowlers since you can use the two "free" checked bags to account for your equipment. All in all, other than waking up mid-flight to find a strange woman's head on my shoulder as she napped, I have no complaints regarding travel. In fact, I like that Southwest now has kiosks for you print your own bag tags before going up to the counter (at Chicago Midway). It seemed to save time.

Hotel - I stayed with a buddy of mine at Mandalay Bay. Obviously, it's quite pricey. My share for the two nights I stayed was roughly $250. Still, it's a nice hotel, and if you're looking for a quality pool scene during down time, you'll be hard-pressed to find a better spot.

Gambling - Why do I bother? You know how Dick Allen calls himself THB (Typical House Bowler)? I'm going to call myself NBL, Natural Born Loser. I should've given them half of what I was going to bet, gone out back and let them kick me in the nuts and then called it a day. I don't think Syracuse is known for casinos, so maybe I can save a few hundred bucks next year!

SouthPoint - We've all heard that getting around that facility is something of a pain, and I can't say I disagree. Getting your stuff from the entrance to the regular bowling center for practice, from the regular center to the arena for the event, and then from the arena down to the sports book for bracket payouts is less than fun.

Now, with all of that being said, the arena itself is a very nice center. I king of like the back-to-back layout as opposed to having 60 lanes all in a row. I had zero complaints about the actual center. The racks were good, the approaches presented no issues, etc. The only think I didn't like was the march out. They march everyone out one way. If you're on the other side, you have to basically do a lap around the arena to get to your starting lanes. I did that with a 3-ball tote in each arm and my carry-on suitcase (since I had to go straight to the airport from bowling). That wasn't fun!

Squad room/weigh in - Everything was pretty much status quo there. Nothing really jumped out as being better or worse than previous years. One thing that I think was different was that each scale operator had a drill press behind them. I assume that would've allowed them to make subtle adjustments to balls that came in out of spec. In the past, I know that I had to run out and hit a booth when that happened to me, so I thought that was convenient. One oddity though was that I saw 2-3 bowlers have balls double-checked or disallowed on Day 2 after having been sent through without issues the day before. I guess it just depends on the scale operators day to day.

Team Practice - It's held in the main SouthPoint center, and, as always, I think it's a great benefit. It really gives you a handle on the shape of the pattern, ball choices, surface adjustments, etc. To me, they hooked a bit more in practice than they did in the arena, but the difference wasn't drastic.

Team
Scores - 173-136-160 - 469  - 2545\
Balls used - Hyroad (1000); IQ Tour Solid (2000); Black Widow Spare (Box)

I started out like we did in practice trying to go up 4-5. The shot was there though, as I said earlier, I felt like that area played tighter in the arena than it did during practice. As advertised, the shot is tricky. Playing up the extreme outside like that is difficult. You have to keep the ball in front of you because if you get it moving away, it's going in the ditch all day long. The plan was to stay out as long as possible and keep the moves as subtle as can be by balling down so as not to have to mess with the middle of the lane, which was really hooking. Sadly, our group lost its discipline as we had guys moving in pretty quickly. As you can imagine, that made things quite difficult. Now, I was surprised at how far left I was able to eventually get on that pattern, but the look was never great because there was no hold in, and I had over under getting it back to the pocket.

However, the biggest issue was right-side spare shooting. Knowing that the oil at Nationals is usually way slicker than what I see at home, I thought I could get away with bringing my Black Widow Spare, a cored spare ball. That was a mistake. There is a lot of friction in the middle of the lane, so that ball picked up just enough to make 6 pins, 10 pins, and the like trickier than they should have been. I should've just brought my Target Zone. That's probably my biggest regret. Now, if you're throwing end over end, you can get the ball to the right. However, if you're used to being able to throw your plastic the same way you throw your strike ball and have it glide to the right, be wary. If you have some hand, that won't work here.

Doubles
Scores - 169-144-203 - 516 - 1026
Balls used - Edge Solid (1000); IQ Tour Solid (2000)

This set was really frustrating as I really threw the ball well that first game and a half despite the terrible scores. I attempted to start off playing them the same way we had the day before, going as straight as possible up 5-7 or so. Being that I'd heard minors was a bit longer/heavier, I balled up to an Edge Solid at 1000 grit. I really focused on keeping my speed soft and going up the back of the ball to keep it from going crazy off the spot. The look was good, and the ball read beautifully. Sadly, I couldn't get it to carry. I went flush pocket 7 times and only carried three of those hits. Add in more pitiful spare shooting on my part, and a game that felt like 220 resulted in another sub 170 game.

I stuck with the Edge until I blasted a pocket 7-10 in about the third frame of Game 2. From there, I started creeping further and further left with the IQ Tour. Sadly, I found several opens and very few strikes before finally finding a home. Game 3 was better as my look was getting better as I continued slowly migrating left. Despite another gaff or two, I managed to grind out a 203 for my first decent score of the tournament.

Singles
Scores - 157-243-217 - 617
Balls used - IQ Tour Solid (2000)

One of my biggest struggles when I bowl no-thumb is maintaining consistent axis rotation. This game epitomized that because although my look was still good, release inconsistencies caused varying reactions, some splits, and very strikes. That led to another solid -43 start. To my credit (I deserve very little), I actually stayed composed and just focused on making better shots, and, for the most part, I did from that point forward. I started Game 2 with a four-bagger before a shaky release led to a partial bucket. I thought I made the spare, but I left one behind. Other than that, only a solid 8-pin and high-flush four pin kept me from striking. Still, 243 is a good score in that environment, so I was happy to take it.

As I had been, I just kept moving slightly left as I went on to Game 3. By that point, I was basically playing 20 to 8-9 or so, and the look was pretty good. The extra length of this pattern gave me a touch of hold if I was in, and I had no problem getting the ball back with authority as long as my release was good.

All told, I finished with 1602 for all-events, which is the third lowest effort I've had in my 8 years at the tournament. Still, considering I didn't shoot anything above 175 for the first five games, I guess I can't complain too much when it was all said and done.

Like always, this tournament is tough. There are no magic bowling ball or inside tip that is going to get you to a big score. You have to be a good player, one who can repeat shots in regard to accuracy, rev rate, axis tilt, etc. If you're capable of doing that, you'll do just fine because both patterns are more than playable. If you're a normal house hack like me who is somewhat inconsistent in the aforementioned areas, you're likely to struggle at various points because these conditions are far from forgiving. Then again, that's what this tournament is supposed to be about, showing us all what it really means to be a good bowler.

If you have questions that I have failed to answer during this manifesto, feel free to send them my way. Thanks for reading.

 

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Re: My OC trip report 2017
« Reply #61 on: June 01, 2017, 09:13:13 AM »
The high side lanes 31-60 has definitely seemed like the higher scoring side of the pavilion during the 4-5 events I've bowled there

 I have to agree with you there! When I came back later in the week, there were two doubles teams putting up outrageous numbers on 31-32. I forgot to ask where they were from, but they threw so many strikes, the scoreboard stopped operating, LOL!

One guy already had 680 posted, and the other guy was working on a 300, through the seventh frame. Later on I found out he finished with a 278!! those were definitely the lanes to be on.

Tall lefty? Two guys with two non straight swings? One guy who threw it like a million bucks? One guy with a 600 revrate? That was us. From Illinois.
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« Reply #62 on: June 01, 2017, 10:16:09 AM »
The high side lanes 31-60 has definitely seemed like the higher scoring side of the pavilion during the 4-5 events I've bowled there

 I have to agree with you there! When I came back later in the week, there were two doubles teams putting up outrageous numbers on 31-32. I forgot to ask where they were from, but they threw so many strikes, the scoreboard stopped operating, LOL!

One guy already had 680 posted, and the other guy was working on a 300, through the seventh frame. Later on I found out he finished with a 278!! those were definitely the lanes to be on.

Tall lefty? Two guys with two non straight swings? One guy who threw it like a million bucks? One guy with a 600 revrate? That was us. From Illinois.

Which one was you out of that description? :P

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« Reply #63 on: June 01, 2017, 10:47:27 AM »
The high side lanes 31-60 has definitely seemed like the higher scoring side of the pavilion during the 4-5 events I've bowled there

 I have to agree with you there! When I came back later in the week, there were two doubles teams putting up outrageous numbers on 31-32. I forgot to ask where they were from, but they threw so many strikes, the scoreboard stopped operating, LOL!

One guy already had 680 posted, and the other guy was working on a 300, through the seventh frame. Later on I found out he finished with a 278!! those were definitely the lanes to be on.

Tall lefty? Two guys with two non straight swings? One guy who threw it like a million bucks? One guy with a 600 revrate? That was us. From Illinois.

Which one was you out of that description? :P

The one that wasn't talking listening to hellabandz....  :P
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« Reply #64 on: June 01, 2017, 11:07:56 AM »
The one with the non-straight armswing that didn't have the front 9.
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Re: My OC trip report 2017
« Reply #65 on: June 01, 2017, 12:03:27 PM »
The high side lanes 31-60 has definitely seemed like the higher scoring side of the pavilion during the 4-5 events I've bowled there

 I have to agree with you there! When I came back later in the week, there were two doubles teams putting up outrageous numbers on 31-32. I forgot to ask where they were from, but they threw so many strikes, the scoreboard stopped operating, LOL!

One guy already had 680 posted, and the other guy was working on a 300, through the seventh frame. Later on I found out he finished with a 278!! those were definitely the lanes to be on.

Tall lefty? Two guys with two non straight swings? One guy who threw it like a million bucks? One guy with a 600 revrate? That was us. From Illinois.

Well I'll be doggone! Wish I could've been there earlier to see your whole set! You guys were torching it, without a doubt!! Small world for sure! WOW!

I congratulated your partner, but he said he was just happy that he had a chance to beat you in brackets! Impressive!
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« Reply #66 on: June 01, 2017, 12:08:54 PM »
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Oh yeah! I got to see Dick Traber, and Brian Himmler bowl. Traber treated dbsl and sgls like it was a house shot! He went 203-195- 206, or something close to that. Wasn't much of a problem for him at all. Now, I don't know how much he wagered but Jason Couch only cleared $25 in brackets.....so we are not alone!

I bowled S/D with Dave Traber!  He only missed the pocket a handful of times over 6 games - didn't carry anything though.  It was almost comical towards the end.
You indirectly saw me and DP3 then as well!

This is too funny! I looked straight at DP3 and said to myself, "I know this guy from somewhere!!" but it did not register right away because I was away from home. I also remember DP3 as a few pounds "lighter" so that threw me off too! LOL! Well, now at least I got faces to go with these names now....very cool!

Hey DP3, I probably could have killed the TEAM shot with that old Saturn you sold me awhile back! Just saying....in retrospect.

Was the Dbum you mentioned,......Darnell Bell?
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« Reply #67 on: June 01, 2017, 12:17:52 PM »
The food is way too good in Vegas to not pack on some pounds JJ :D Sorry for the bad spare shooting clinic

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« Reply #68 on: June 01, 2017, 12:44:53 PM »
I gained 2 lbs in 4 days. If I lived in Vegas I'd be fat and broke.
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« Reply #69 on: June 01, 2017, 12:46:01 PM »
The high side lanes 31-60 has definitely seemed like the higher scoring side of the pavilion during the 4-5 events I've bowled there

 I have to agree with you there! When I came back later in the week, there were two doubles teams putting up outrageous numbers on 31-32. I forgot to ask where they were from, but they threw so many strikes, the scoreboard stopped operating, LOL!

One guy already had 680 posted, and the other guy was working on a 300, through the seventh frame. Later on I found out he finished with a 278!! those were definitely the lanes to be on.

Tall lefty? Two guys with two non straight swings? One guy who threw it like a million bucks? One guy with a 600 revrate? That was us. From Illinois.

Well I'll be doggone! Wish I could've been there earlier to see your whole set! You guys were torching it, without a doubt!! Small world for sure! WOW!

I congratulated your partner, but he said he was just happy that he had a chance to beat you in brackets! Impressive!

What a donkey, we split the winnings anyway. Didn't matter who won.
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« Reply #70 on: June 01, 2017, 12:49:05 PM »


Hey DP3, I probably could have killed the TEAM shot with that old Saturn you sold me awhile back! Just saying....in retrospect.

Was the Dbum you mentioned,......Darnell Bell?

Yes, it was Darnell. He actually had a look from a bit inside the track and that Purple Hammer was splitting the 8-9 like a $250 ball. That dull early rolling Saturn would have been great. I had issues keeping the ball on line all weekend but my best look was a 3" pin to PAP Gamebreaker 2 at 2000 grit and a Tyrant. I wish I would have taken the Tyrant down to 500 grit. I would have been able to carve a line a little better.

I averaged around 160 that day and still got back $80 in brackets. I'm still puzzled how this was possible. Our squad was THAT low scoring.
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« Reply #71 on: June 01, 2017, 12:59:41 PM »


Hey DP3, I probably could have killed the TEAM shot with that old Saturn you sold me awhile back! Just saying....in retrospect.

Was the Dbum you mentioned,......Darnell Bell?

Yes, it was Darnell. He actually had a look from a bit inside the track and that Purple Hammer was splitting the 8-9 like a $250 ball. That dull early rolling Saturn would have been great. I had issues keeping the ball on line all weekend but my best look was a 3" pin to PAP Gamebreaker 2 at 2000 grit and a Tyrant. I wish I would have taken the Tyrant down to 500 grit. I would have been able to carve a line a little better.

I averaged around 160 that day and still got back $80 in brackets. I'm still puzzled how this was possible. Our squad was THAT low scoring.


500? We used 360 in D/S and plastic up 15 in Team. I think they were too tough for most people and I overheard quite a few guys say they don't know how much longer they will pay this money to come shoot sub 500 2/3 sets or even all 3 sets. My favorite was an older guy on pair next to us "I would've been better off taking all the money I spent getting here and staying here and putting it on red at the roulette table, at least I have a better chance of making money".
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« Reply #72 on: June 01, 2017, 01:03:57 PM »
You can't have chumps averaging 230 on the china then throw integrity at them once a year. Say goodbye to entries.

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« Reply #73 on: June 01, 2017, 01:14:12 PM »


Hey DP3, I probably could have killed the TEAM shot with that old Saturn you sold me awhile back! Just saying....in retrospect.

Was the Dbum you mentioned,......Darnell Bell?

Yes, it was Darnell. He actually had a look from a bit inside the track and that Purple Hammer was splitting the 8-9 like a $250 ball. That dull early rolling Saturn would have been great. I had issues keeping the ball on line all weekend but my best look was a 3" pin to PAP Gamebreaker 2 at 2000 grit and a Tyrant. I wish I would have taken the Tyrant down to 500 grit. I would have been able to carve a line a little better.

I averaged around 160 that day and still got back $80 in brackets. I'm still puzzled how this was possible. Our squad was THAT low scoring.


500? We used 360 in D/S and plastic up 15 in Team. I think they were too tough for most people and I overheard quite a few guys say they don't know how much longer they will pay this money to come shoot sub 500 2/3 sets or even all 3 sets. My favorite was an older guy on pair next to us "I would've been better off taking all the money I spent getting here and staying here and putting it on red at the roulette table, at least I have a better chance of making money".

Yeah, that's just unrealistic expectations. There's maybe 50-75 guys in the entire country that have a realistic shot at winning this thing every year. I think the shot was the perfect for what this tournament was supposed to be. It wasn't hard to "figure out" but you had to execute your ass off. The guys that could do the latter are going to put up some numbers. Guys that bowl one major tournament a year and don't have the mechanics to get themselves line up are always going to be the ones crying.

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Re: My OC trip report 2017
« Reply #74 on: June 01, 2017, 01:41:44 PM »


Hey DP3, I probably could have killed the TEAM shot with that old Saturn you sold me awhile back! Just saying....in retrospect.

Was the Dbum you mentioned,......Darnell Bell?

Yes, it was Darnell. He actually had a look from a bit inside the track and that Purple Hammer was splitting the 8-9 like a $250 ball. That dull early rolling Saturn would have been great. I had issues keeping the ball on line all weekend but my best look was a 3" pin to PAP Gamebreaker 2 at 2000 grit and a Tyrant. I wish I would have taken the Tyrant down to 500 grit. I would have been able to carve a line a little better.

I averaged around 160 that day and still got back $80 in brackets. I'm still puzzled how this was possible. Our squad was THAT low scoring.


500? We used 360 in D/S and plastic up 15 in Team. I think they were too tough for most people and I overheard quite a few guys say they don't know how much longer they will pay this money to come shoot sub 500 2/3 sets or even all 3 sets. My favorite was an older guy on pair next to us "I would've been better off taking all the money I spent getting here and staying here and putting it on red at the roulette table, at least I have a better chance of making money".

Yeah, that's just unrealistic expectations. There's maybe 50-75 guys in the entire country that have a realistic shot at winning this thing every year. I think the shot was the perfect for what this tournament was supposed to be. It wasn't hard to "figure out" but you had to execute your ass off. The guys that could do the latter are going to put up some numbers. Guys that bowl one major tournament a year and don't have the mechanics to get themselves line up are always going to be the ones crying.

USBC is in a tough position, you make them too hard, the majority will show up and shoot 1500. Make them too easy, the elite will be slamming 2100+ left and right. Pretty soon those 50-75 that have a shot to win will be the only ones in attendance.
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Re: My OC trip report 2017
« Reply #75 on: June 01, 2017, 02:12:53 PM »


Hey DP3, I probably could have killed the TEAM shot with that old Saturn you sold me awhile back! Just saying....in retrospect.

Was the Dbum you mentioned,......Darnell Bell?

I averaged around 160 that day and still got back $80 in brackets. I'm still puzzled how this was possible. Our squad was THAT low scoring.


I wish I had some of that luck. Averaged 175 in doubles, 180 in singles and got a big fat 0 in brackets.