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dR3w

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Never Surprised
« on: August 22, 2014, 12:47:39 PM »
A teammate of mine from my Nationals team, just came by my office and delivered me (I am the team captain), our checks from Nationals.  Apparently they were sent to someone in Florida (I live in Virginia), and in turn, the nice person mailed them to someone on our team.  I wonder if the USBC would care if I sent my entry fee to the wrong address, in the wrong state?

 

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Re: Never Surprised
« Reply #1 on: August 22, 2014, 01:21:06 PM »
A teammate of mine from my Nationals team, just came by my office and delivered me (I am the team captain), our checks from Nationals.  Apparently they were sent to someone in Florida (I live in Virginia), and in turn, the nice person mailed them to someone on our team.  I wonder if the USBC would care if I sent my entry fee to the wrong address, in the wrong state?

Tend to look at it this way. Instead of being upset about the USBC screwing up, you know that there are some good people in this world who did the right thing. They easily could have opened it and cashed it themselves.

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Re: Never Surprised
« Reply #2 on: August 22, 2014, 01:26:43 PM »
Are you sure USBC screwed up?  I'm never surprised at how inept the postal service is. 
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Re: Never Surprised
« Reply #3 on: August 22, 2014, 02:33:38 PM »
I'm not upset.  Had we had the money stolen I would have been upset.  Even more so for the people on my team who got screwed.  And I used the term nice person to describe the guy (or business, since it had a business mailing address), who forwarded the checks.  He even paid for the postage.  That was truly generous, and deserves a pat on the back.

I was trying to be sarcastic about the general nature of the USBC.

A teammate of mine from my Nationals team, just came by my office and delivered me (I am the team captain), our checks from Nationals.  Apparently they were sent to someone in Florida (I live in Virginia), and in turn, the nice person mailed them to someone on our team.  I wonder if the USBC would care if I sent my entry fee to the wrong address, in the wrong state?

Tend to look at it this way. Instead of being upset about the USBC screwing up, you know that there are some good people in this world who did the right thing. They easily could have opened it and cashed it themselves.

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Re: Never Surprised
« Reply #4 on: August 22, 2014, 02:37:20 PM »
Are you sure USBC screwed up?  I'm never surprised at how inept the postal service is. 

The only note in the letter was, "your checks were sent to me by mistake".  That implies, USBC, but i certainly could be wrong. Had he said "your check were accidentally delivered to me", then it would really point the finger at the USPS.  My last name is very uncommon, and I've never seen anyone with it in checking results at Nationals … so I'm guessing that somehow there was confusion with the team name.

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Re: Never Surprised
« Reply #5 on: August 22, 2014, 02:41:50 PM »
If it was a postal service screw-up, wouldn't the correct address still be on the envelope? Then the person receiving the wrong letter would just write "wrong address" on the front of it and the USPS could try it again.
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Re: Never Surprised
« Reply #6 on: August 22, 2014, 02:50:05 PM »
He forwarded it to me after taking the checks out of the original envelope and putting it into a business envelope.  So I never saw the original envelope.  There was over $3,000 in payout in the envelope.  Definitely tempting to those with a broken moral compass.

If it was a postal service screw-up, wouldn't the correct address still be on the envelope? Then the person receiving the wrong letter would just write "wrong address" on the front of it and the USPS could try it again.

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« Reply #7 on: August 22, 2014, 03:47:08 PM »
I am sure the person who forwarded them was nice...but it's not like he had a choice. Most banks, and I haven't seen one that doesn't do this in a very very long time, require ID to cash a check. So unless they had false ID's made up to each name on the checks....

Also, most banks won't cash a check unless you have an account with them, just in case the check bounces, it comes out of your account. So unless they knew what bank everyone uses, again the checks aren't use.

And I certainly think that any bank would throw up a red flag over someone trying to deposit a check into their account with someone else's name on it. So all they really could do was throw them out, send them back to the USBC, or send them to you. It was very nice of the person to choose option 3 which gets you the money the quickest.



He forwarded it to me after taking the checks out of the original envelope and putting it into a business envelope.  So I never saw the original envelope.  There was over $3,000 in payout in the envelope.  Definitely tempting to those with a broken moral compass.

If it was a postal service screw-up, wouldn't the correct address still be on the envelope? Then the person receiving the wrong letter would just write "wrong address" on the front of it and the USPS could try it again.
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Re: Never Surprised
« Reply #8 on: August 22, 2014, 03:52:33 PM »
I am sure the person who forwarded them was nice...but it's not like he had a choice. Most banks, and I haven't seen one that doesn't do this in a very very long time, require ID to cash a check. So unless they had false ID's made up to each name on the checks....

Also, most banks won't cash a check unless you have an account with them, just in case the check bounces, it comes out of your account. So unless they knew what bank everyone uses, again the checks aren't use.

And I certainly think that any bank would throw up a red flag over someone trying to deposit a check into their account with someone else's name on it. So all they really could do was throw them out, send them back to the USBC, or send them to you. It was very nice of the person to choose option 3 which gets you the money the quickest.



He forwarded it to me after taking the checks out of the original envelope and putting it into a business envelope.  So I never saw the original envelope.  There was over $3,000 in payout in the envelope.  Definitely tempting to those with a broken moral compass.

If it was a postal service screw-up, wouldn't the correct address still be on the envelope? Then the person receiving the wrong letter would just write "wrong address" on the front of it and the USPS could try it again.

Actually, I can deposit a check just by taking a picture of it with my phone. I know this works for the USBC Open checks because I deposited Steven's  ;D  mine in my checking account this week.  It would be easy enough to commit fraud this way.
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Re: Never Surprised
« Reply #9 on: August 22, 2014, 03:59:06 PM »
Actually, I can deposit a check just by taking a picture of it with my phone. I know this works for the USBC Open checks because I deposited Steven's  ;D  mine in my checking account this week.  It would be easy enough to commit fraud this way.

Yes, the new apps allow this type of deposit. But do you think if you did that with a check with my name on it, that money would stay in your account long? I would hope someone at the bank takes that picture and uses it to match it to the name on one's account and would pick up the difference. I would assume when depositing money this way, there is a hold on that amount for a few days, similar to depositing a check in an ATM. The money may show in your account immediately, but it isn't there to actually use/spend/withdraw until the deposit is verified (in the ATM scenario, the envelope gets to the bank and the check is verified as real, and clears. In the picture scenario, I am sure the bank clears the check electronically to make sure it is valid). So unless the bank makes a mistake and allows those funds to be used, in which case they just call the police on you, the money would be removed from the account once it is realized that the name on the check isn't the account holders.
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Re: Never Surprised
« Reply #10 on: August 22, 2014, 04:13:32 PM »
Actually, I can deposit a check just by taking a picture of it with my phone. I know this works for the USBC Open checks because I deposited Steven's  ;D  mine in my checking account this week.  It would be easy enough to commit fraud this way.

Yes, the new apps allow this type of deposit. But do you think if you did that with a check with my name on it, that money would stay in your account long? I would hope someone at the bank takes that picture and uses it to match it to the name on one's account and would pick up the difference. I would assume when depositing money this way, there is a hold on that amount for a few days, similar to depositing a check in an ATM. The money may show in your account immediately, but it isn't there to actually use/spend/withdraw until the deposit is verified (in the ATM scenario, the envelope gets to the bank and the check is verified as real, and clears. In the picture scenario, I am sure the bank clears the check electronically to make sure it is valid). So unless the bank makes a mistake and allows those funds to be used, in which case they just call the police on you, the money would be removed from the account once it is realized that the name on the check isn't the account holders.


I suppose it depends on your bank and/or your personal history with them. If I deposit a check at the ATM or using my phone, I have access to it immediately as far as I can tell. Then again, I have been with my current bank for about 30 years.


As for the clearance, it would still clear as the check itself would be valid. It wouldn't show up as fraud until the person who was supposed to receive the check started asking; "Where's my check?"


So if one was willing to commit check fraud, this would be a way to do it. Of course it would catch up to them eventually, but most idiots who actually do commit check fraud just want the money right now.
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Re: Never Surprised
« Reply #11 on: August 23, 2014, 11:13:11 PM »

Actually, I can deposit a check just by taking a picture of it with my phone. I know this works for the USBC Open checks because I deposited Steven's  ;D   
 
LOL!! That's a pretty impressive fake you mailed to me. ;)