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Strapper_Squared

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Open Championships Average
« on: May 02, 2018, 02:19:30 PM »
Browsing through my USBC online profile and noticed the Open Championships tab.  It lists your scratch average for the last 27 games at the Open tournament. 

My question is why is this average not used to categorize at the tournament?

I bowl league on a stupid easy house shot where anywhere right of the 3rd arrow finds the pocket.  It may not carry, but it makes it there.  I then travel to the Open Championships and bowl on a condition where I need tohave the right equipment with the right surface, be able to very precisely repeat shots, and shoot spare that quite honestly I rarely see otherwise.  Im just not good enough (or practiced enough) to do this.  My average delta between league and the OC tournament is massive.

Seems like your open average (or even your OC sport adjusted - which appears to be OC average plus about 30 pins), would be a better reflection of a bowlers true potential on the OC conditions in that environment.

Under the current rules, I have zero percent chance of competing.  I fall into the "participant" category.

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Re: Open Championships Average
« Reply #1 on: May 02, 2018, 02:32:52 PM »
It will be for 2019. It will be the higher of the averages, after applying the sport adjustment for the Open.
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Re: Open Championships Average
« Reply #2 on: May 02, 2018, 03:31:16 PM »
So in my example (hypothetically), a bowler has an easy league shot and averages 220.  Goes to the OC and is the first time in the season of seeing a flat shot and consequently hits the pocket 5 of the 10 frames (and carries three of these).  The other five frames are washouts, buckets, or 2,8,X combinations.  I miss one 10 pin on a pocket shot and convert 2 of the 5 other frames.  Depend on how/where this occurs, the bowler has just shot 160 to 180.  The team you are pair up with has a bowler starting at 4th arrow, two throwing down the middle and two playing outside.  The shot doesn't break down and soften up, but rather gets more challenging.  The bowler would be lucky to shoot two more 180 games. 
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Now a shooting a 510 series looks pretty favorable - unfortunately their inflated league average puts them in the same classification (and brackets) with top amateurs, regional, and PBA pros who frequently bowl on these conditions and legitimately can shoot 700s.

Taking the higher of the two makes no sense to me.  Are they that worried about someone other than the pros bowling to their true average?
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Re: Open Championships Average
« Reply #3 on: May 02, 2018, 03:41:37 PM »
Honestly, I think they want the maximum number of us fish in the pond so the pros are able to make money.
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Re: Open Championships Average
« Reply #4 on: May 02, 2018, 04:19:05 PM »
Quote from: milorafferty on May 02, 2018, 03:41:37 PM
Honestly, I think they want the maximum number of us fish in the pond so the pros are able to make money.

Bingo.  If you aren't taking 10 bowlers with a game plan you've practiced to nationals you are the donator they are looking for. 

I know some young bowlers (men and women) with minimal college bowling experience that aren't averaging over 205 on house conditions in most cases that if they ever go bowl will be off of 220 as professionals till they are 60.
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Re: Open Championships Average
« Reply #5 on: May 03, 2018, 11:36:43 AM »
And this is why I should bag.

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Re: Open Championships Average
« Reply #6 on: May 03, 2018, 12:08:51 PM »
Open Championships should be once you establish 21 gms at the tourney, being a sport shot by itself, should be your tourney avg from then on. Not your THS league avg since the conditions are different. Hence the reason i will never participate in that tourney again. Im not a competitive bowler anymore, at least not in the 'sport' sense. I do like to compete and can throw 780s on THS every once in a while but NO, i cant shoot 600s consistently at USBCs cause i dont bowl sport shots and dont plan on bowling on any sport shot leagues. I bowl for fun now and possibly may be done for a while focusing on other things. But USBC just shoots themselves in the leg everytime they try and fix something and go the complete opposite of what the logically should.
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Re: Open Championships Average
« Reply #7 on: May 03, 2018, 12:49:57 PM »
Agreed.  Was wondering why they would take your 27 games OC average and then convert it to a sport average - when it was clearly established on a sport shot...

Are they overthinking this?
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Re: Open Championships Average
« Reply #8 on: May 03, 2018, 12:54:17 PM »
Something to note is a lot of people bowling the OC for the first time in 2019 will most likely be f*cked.

The top division, Regular, starts at 176 Sport Average. Conversion table has that as a 204 house average. I 100% guarantee that if you are averaging less than 215 on a house shot, you don't have a chance of placing well in that division.

In my opinion, that division cut line is 10 pins too low.
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Re: Open Championships Average
« Reply #9 on: May 03, 2018, 12:55:16 PM »
Quote from: Strapper_Squared on May 03, 2018, 12:49:57 PM
Agreed.  Was wondering why they would take your 27 games OC average and then convert it to a sport average - when it was clearly established on a sport shot...

Are they overthinking this?

That's not what they are doing though. They are treating your OC Average as a sport shot and converting(or reverting if you will) back to a non-sport/challenge shot average.
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Re: Open Championships Average
« Reply #10 on: May 03, 2018, 12:58:50 PM »
Quote from: AlonzoHarris on May 03, 2018, 12:54:17 PM
Something to note is a lot of people bowling the OC for the first time in 2019 will most likely be f*cked.

The top division, Regular, starts at 176 Sport Average. Conversion table has that as a 204 house average. I 100% guarantee that if you are averaging less than 215 on a house shot, you don't have a chance of placing well in that division.

In my opinion, that division cut line is 10 pins too low.

Yea, I have an issue with that one as well. The cut for the top division is supposed to be 210, but the OC average conversion makes it 204 instead.

USBC either has f'ing idiots working there, or they are intentionally trying to increase the size of the top division(Which I'm inclined to believe).

So they should explain which one they want to be know as, idiots or corrupt assholes.  ;D
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Re: Open Championships Average
« Reply #11 on: May 03, 2018, 01:15:51 PM »
Quote from: milorafferty on May 03, 2018, 12:58:50 PM
Quote from: AlonzoHarris on May 03, 2018, 12:54:17 PM
Something to note is a lot of people bowling the OC for the first time in 2019 will most likely be f*cked.

The top division, Regular, starts at 176 Sport Average. Conversion table has that as a 204 house average. I 100% guarantee that if you are averaging less than 215 on a house shot, you don't have a chance of placing well in that division.

In my opinion, that division cut line is 10 pins too low.

Yea, I have an issue with that one as well. The cut for the top division is supposed to be 210, but the OC average conversion makes it 204 instead.

USBC either has f'ing idiots working there, or they are intentionally trying to increase the size of the top division(Which I'm inclined to believe).

So they should explain which one they want to be know as, idiots or corrupt assholes.  ;D

Right haha - they're making compelling arguments for both idiots and/or corrupt assholes.
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Re: Open Championships Average
« Reply #12 on: May 03, 2018, 03:06:23 PM »
Quote from: milorafferty on May 03, 2018, 12:58:50 PM
So they should explain which one they want to be know as, idiots or corrupt assholes.  ;D

Does make one wonder what the lesser of two evils there is......  :-\
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Re: Open Championships Average
« Reply #13 on: May 03, 2018, 04:40:31 PM »
Quote from: milorafferty on May 03, 2018, 12:55:16 PM
Quote from: Strapper_Squared on May 03, 2018, 12:49:57 PM
Agreed.  Was wondering why they would take your 27 games OC average and then convert it to a sport average - when it was clearly established on a sport shot...

Are they overthinking this?

That's not what they are doing though. They are treating your OC Average as a sport shot and converting(or reverting if you will) back to a non-sport/challenge shot average.

The way I read the FAQ and other information about the 2019 Nationals is if you have 27 games bowled at Nationals that is the average you use (no conversions).  If you don't have the 27 games or a sport shot average then you go by your high book average which is then converted to a sport average.
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Re: Open Championships Average
« Reply #14 on: May 03, 2018, 04:52:29 PM »
+1. It's confusing at best, but that's also the way I read it....
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