Quote from: milorafferty on May 03, 2018, 12:55:16 PM

Quote from: Strapper_Squared on May 03, 2018, 12:49:57 PM

Agreed.  Was wondering why they would take your 27 games OC average and then convert it to a sport average - when it was clearly established on a sport shot...

Are they overthinking this?

That's not what they are doing though. They are treating your OC Average as a sport shot and converting(or reverting if you will) back to a non-sport/challenge shot average.

The way I read the FAQ and other information about the 2019 Nationals is if you have 27 games bowled at Nationals that is the average you use (no conversions).  If you don't have the 27 games or a sport shot average then you go by your high book average which is then converted to a sport average.

I think I worded that wrong. Everything is being converted to a Sport shot average. Which makes 204 average converts to a 176 Sport average, lower than the 210 which would covert to a 181.

USBC wants more chum in the waters for their precious top level bowlers. I know they had to take a hit in bracket winnings last year.

I may be wrong, but I think the other averages, even if higher only take place if you don’t have a tournament average.

You're not wrong. That is what the Nationals documentation says.

OC 27 games comes first. Rules clearly say if you have it, you use it....... And they are converting down to sport, not up as previously.....


1. AVERAGE REQUIREMENTS FOR 2019 OPEN CHAMPIONSHIPS
The average to be used will be determined in the following order:
A. Open Championships tournament average, based on most recent 27 games bowled at
the tournament since 2010. (Championships Average).
B. Bowlers without a qualifying Championships Average will enter with the highest
average from the following:
1) Highest USBC-certified league average (winter, summer or composite*),
based on 21 or more games from:
a) 2017/2018 season or
b) 2016/2017 season or
c) 2015/2016 season
Averages NOT established on a Sport condition will be converted downward using the
appropriate Sport or Challenge conversion chart.
C. Bowlers who do not meet any of the average requirements in item A or B, will enter
with the highest of the following:
1) Current certified average at the time of bowling of 21 or more games, converted
downward using the appropriate Sport or Challenge conversion chart (if not already Sport).
2) Current composite average of 21 or more games in all current USBC leagues,
converted downward using the appropriate Sport or Challenge conversion chart (if not
already Sport).
League standings sheets or a letter of verification from association secretary must be
presented upon check-in.
D. If, at the time of bowling an entrant has a current average for 21 or more games,
converted to Sport, that is 10 or more pins higher than the average determined in item B,
the current Sport-converted average must be used, if applicable.
E. If, during the 12-month period immediately preceding the time and date of bowling at
the 2019 Open Championships, the bowler’s accumulated average for all, but not less than
21 tournament games, exceeds the average determined in items B or C by 15 or more pins,
the accumulated average, Sport-converted, must be reported and used for
classification purposes.
F. Bowlers who do not meet any of the average requirements stated in items A, B or C will
be entered with a 220 Sport average.

Exactly,

Although you are not as bad as all though 176 bowlers that are being bumped up to join the slaughter.

As a rule, not a lot of standard brackets per squad, but after time I think it would grow, since you would figure out you are against peers.

But if you think I’m going to throw away money against the pros just cause I’ve been bumped up to the bottom of the food chain, forget it.

But if you think I’m going to throw away money against the pros just cause I’ve been bumped up to the bottom of the food chain, forget it.

Completely agree.  USBC was booking me at 225, but the 27 game at Nationals has me averaging 175.  I usually get into brackets for one squad and it's always for a very small amount.

In my opinion, instead of 20% Classified, 40% Standard, 40% Regular, the mix should be;
30% Classified, 60% Standard, 10% Regular. Like the population in most handicap leagues(at least in my experience).

Let the Professionals and the Professional Level Amateurs battle with each other for prize and brackets rather than pillage the rest of us.

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