I have been thinking of posting this for a long time but why not give it a shot.

I don't want this to turn into some a post where people bash each other for their opinions just a simple intelligent conversation.

The top 50 in points on the PBA tour are not allowed to bowl in the USBC open. I want your thoughts on this.

My opinion is why are those 50 bowlers not allowed to bowl in a so called "open" event? Do they not pay their USBC membership just like the rest of us? I do not see the reason for not letting them bowl. As the rule stands 2 pba members are allowed on 1 team and only 1 member in doubles. Why  not allow the top 50 to bowl and make a rule where only 1 top 50 (or exempt or what ever they want to change it to) per team and so on?

I have talked with a few people in my area about this and it seems like the argument is always talking about Chris Barnes, Jason Belmonte, Sean Rash, etc. Which I can sort of see their point. My thinking is so what if Barnes or jones or anyone else bowls. They still have to bowl well to win. Believe it or not those guys have bad games or just cant figure it out at times as well. There are guys out there bowling every year that are just a good as a majority of guys out on tour. Its 9 games and without having a good team and/or doubles partner(s) the only titles they can win on their own are singles/all events. The rest take teamwork and a quality group of bowlers. I can name a few guys off the top of my head that bowl every year that could easily make top 50 in points every year.

But honestly how many of you out there can name or even know who lets say 30th-50th spots are? I'm going to go out on a limb and say not many unless you really follow the tour. If you were 30th-50th last year in points you earned between 30,000 and 15,000 on tour. This year alone Tony LaCaze (leading all events, did well in the side events) has the opportunity to make more in 9 games than his last 2 full years on tour. More power to him. I don't know him personally he bowls with some really good friends of mine and I don't see any reason why a bowler who does this for a living is banned from such a big tournament. Eagles mean as much to some people as any pba title.

Not to get into the talk of why there are less teams each year at nationals, why not allow a few more guys to bowl. Even if it is just 50 or more teams each year it is still more teams bowling which I don't ever see as a bad thing.

I don't think you are giving enough credit to how good the top 10-15 guys on the PBA Tour really are.

The is why they used to have the Classic div...to allow the elite an opportunity to compete

i get where your coming from i think they should be allowed to bowl as well i mean anyone can be beat they arent gonna bowl great everytime although majority of the time they will but not everytime and if you go out and bowl well and happen to beat some of those guys just think of how much more happy youd be just being able to say you beat them even if it is just one time. but on the other hand the us open pattern is not very difficult it does meet sport requirements but it is not very difficult so the top bowlers on tour would probably eat it up(ex. Anthony LaCaze) and just make it look stupid easy and probably take all our money in brackets and such it could go either way but personally i wouldnt mind if they bowled

Quote from: luv2bowl12xs on May 01, 2014, 09:10:06 AM

i get where your coming from i think they should be allowed to bowl as well i mean anyone can be beat they arent gonna bowl great everytime although majority of the time they will but not everytime and if you go out and bowl well and happen to beat some of those guys just think of how much more happy youd be just being able to say you beat them even if it is just one time. but on the other hand the us open pattern is not very difficult it does meet sport requirements but it is not very difficult so the top bowlers on tour would probably eat it up(ex. Anthony LaCaze) and just make it look stupid easy and probably take all our money in brackets and such it could go either way but personally i wouldnt mind if they bowled

 "The US Open pattern is not very difficult". Ok, bro.

I believe he was referring to the USBC Open.  Now this year's scores look higher obviously even though it is a "sport pattern"  But remember that there are 12,000 people that bowl, just going off the "top scores" isn't a good barrier.  I'm sure there's hoards of people that go and bowl the Open and think it's impossible.

As far as the original topic goes.  I believe they should be able to bowl, with restrictions on stacking a team so to speak.  If you look at the 5oth player on the points list i'm he LOST money by bowling on tour, but still gets locked out which is unfortunate for a professional.

And if you have an issue with brackets then have a designated squad they have to bowl on. You don't like it you can avoid it.

We have a team that goes from here that has several past PBA champions, even major winners and I don't believe any of them have their cards anymore. The team is put together just for nationals. Some are from out of state. One of their members will turn 50 by the time they go this year and they are drooling over the senior brackets.

Quote from: luv2bowl12xs on May 01, 2014, 09:10:06 AM

i get where your coming from i think they should be allowed to bowl as well i mean anyone can be beat they arent gonna bowl great everytime although majority of the time they will but not everytime and if you go out and bowl well and happen to beat some of those guys just think of how much more happy youd be just being able to say you beat them even if it is just one time. but on the other hand the us open pattern is not very difficult it does meet sport requirements but it is not very difficult so the top bowlers on tour would probably eat it up(ex. Anthony LaCaze) and just make it look stupid easy and probably take all our money in brackets and such it could go either way but personally i wouldnt mind if they bowled

 "The US Open pattern is not very difficult". Ok, bro.

obviously the usbc open pattern is what i was  referring to i thought that would be obvious but apparently not

Quote from: northface28 on May 01, 2014, 10:10:44 AM

Quote from: luv2bowl12xs on May 01, 2014, 09:10:06 AM

i get where your coming from i think they should be allowed to bowl as well i mean anyone can be beat they arent gonna bowl great everytime although majority of the time they will but not everytime and if you go out and bowl well and happen to beat some of those guys just think of how much more happy youd be just being able to say you beat them even if it is just one time. but on the other hand the us open pattern is not very difficult it does meet sport requirements but it is not very difficult so the top bowlers on tour would probably eat it up(ex. Anthony LaCaze) and just make it look stupid easy and probably take all our money in brackets and such it could go either way but personally i wouldnt mind if they bowled

 "The US Open pattern is not very difficult". Ok, bro.

obviously the usbc open pattern is what i was  referring to i thought that would be obvious but apparently not

Given your history and refusal to use  periods to break up your post and construct coherent sentences. Can you blame me?