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Dan Belcher

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A stroker's report from Reno
« on: March 16, 2010, 03:56:27 AM »
Sorry if this is a little long-winded, but I wanted to give as detailed of a breakdown as possible for how my experience was at the Open this year.  It's sometimes hard to find good info on lane play, etc. for us lower-rev guys, so I thought I could at least share what I found out first-hand!

(The forum didn't like the length of my post, so I've had to break it down into two. See the first response to this for the rest)

The morning of my team event, I worked with Mike Jasnau on improving my timing, which improved my release, my balance, everything. He's a great coach and it was well worth the money for the full coaching session. By the end of the session, I was stringing strikes on the USBC Open oil pattern (even if it was on a different lane surface than the real thing). It was also funny to see how badly the CATS system estimates rev rate.  It had me in the 340 to 390 range, when my actual rev rate as measured on video is usually more in the 200-250 range!  But for anyone who has wondered about going to work with him, I really recommend it.  Mike's very friendly and makes you feel comfortable, but also knows how to break down your game and find out what really is causing the symptoms you see at the end of your approach.  And it was also cool that he was able to compare my approach with David Ozio's textbook game to see how my game could be improved, and when he finished tweaking my approach, it indeed was somewhat similar to Ozio's, even with 1/10th of the talent.

For team, we bowled the 8:30pm squad on lanes 43-44. I started with my Cell at 2000 abralon, and when I rolled it right up the 8 board, it just sailed past the headpin. Never touched it. Where was all this hook on the backend everybody was talking about?  Turns out you can only use it if you have enough revs and enough axis rotation, each of which I am decidedly lacking.  The shot actually ended up playing tighter on the fresh for me than it did last year.  All through practice I NEVER found a look at the pocket, and my swing really tightened up as a result.  I left several difficult spares early and missed most of them, and once I finally started hitting my target, I had trouble finding the pocket and left a couple huge splits in a row.  I found the pocket late after switching to my Gravity Shift (sanded by hand with Resurrection) and playing directly up the 10-11 board area, but it was way too late. 129. Jesus. Lowest game I've bowled in a long, long time.  The next two games, however, were both clean, and I went 215-213. It was hard to string strikes, however, since I had NO miss room.  Our team finished at 3003, so we're in pretty good shape, but I'm really disappointed that I hurt us SO badly the first game and cost us about 60-90 pins.  I believe that for us lower-rev players, the key to the fresh is surface.  There's enough head oil that you won't need to worry about it burning up if you go with a 1000 abralon kind of finish.

(see my next response for rest of the post)

 

Dan Belcher

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Re: A stroker's report from Reno
« Reply #1 on: March 16, 2010, 11:56:36 AM »
For doubles the next day, we bowled the third squad at 11:40am on lanes 7-8.  The heads were dry, but there was some serious hang on the right lane.  I tried my polished Second Dimension, but it didn''t feel right in my hands which made for inconsistent releases, and I didn''t have any hold room left with it, so I stuck with the Gravity Shift.  I struck on all but about three shots on the left lane in the first two games, but never found the pocket on the right lane. I either went 2-4-5 or through the face, there was no in-between.  Finally found the pocket in the third game, but had to play such a weak angle I couldn''t take out the corners. 193-191-194. Ouch.  My partner didn''t fare too well either and we ended up shooting almost the same exact series.  I just never felt comfortable on this pair of lanes, and felt like I was having to walk too fine of a line to strike.  This tells me I was probably playing the lanes wrong (and I would find out in the Singles set that I was right!).

For singles, we moved to 5 and 6 where my teammates had been bowling in doubles, and they all hooked it much more than me and played much deeper than me.  I again stayed with the Gravity Shift and tried to play where I was on the last pair (assuming I couldn''t get on top of their friction inside), but I couldn''t quite get the ball to face up.  After an errant shot through the face for an open in the 9th to kill the double I had before it, I moved three and two left in the 10th to find more of the friction from the previous bowlers, and I pured all three of them to salvage 186.  I stayed there the entire next game, and had the front 6 before getting soft with one and leaving the 3-6, and I got firm with one in the 10th for a 2 pin and a nice 267!

I inched my way left the next game and had a pretty good look, but left a weak-as-hell 5-7 split in the middle of the game when the ball didn''t react thanks to early roll, but also something stood the 5 back up.  I moved left three boards to shoot the spare, and while I didn''t make the spare, I found a good line back into the pocket, so I finished with a 214.  If I had been more aggressive with my moves inside to find head oil to get my ball down the lane, I could have shot better, but also I was afraid of moving too far and having the ball sail wide and washing out, which I did a couple times earlier in the tournament.

So in summary, they played very tight on the fresh for me, but really opened up on the burn, and chasing the head oil left fast enough was the key for me.  Oh, and my embarrassingly bad 129 game meant I came out about $300 behind what I paid overall in brackets, and also cost our team several bucks when we get our checks later this year I''m certain. So, yeah, try not to royally screw up like me.

On edit -- I ended the day playing 18 at the arrows to about 11-12 at the breakpoint. If I hit the 10 board, it might give me a swisher strike, it might give me a corner pin.  If I hit 12 with soft speed or hit left of it, I went through the face.

Edited on 3/16/2010 1:30 PM

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Re: A stroker's report from Reno
« Reply #2 on: March 16, 2010, 12:43:30 PM »
Thanks for the great review.  Don't feel bad Dan, my first Nationals I shot 351 total for singles and I have tons of rev or did. Nice shooting in the singles, that should score you a nice check.
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Re: A stroker's report from Reno
« Reply #3 on: March 16, 2010, 02:07:00 PM »

Thank you Dan.


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Re: A stroker's report from Reno
« Reply #4 on: March 16, 2010, 06:27:10 PM »
The thing I have heard from friends is to not use asymmetric equipment out of the gate(unless you have some hand). You need a rolly ball such reign of fire(or similar equipment from other ball company) to get the ball started. Practicing this pattern on a similar surface the lanes play wetter to me than prior years. Maybe it is my imagination...who knows. I may take 1 asymmetric and the rest symmetrical.

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Re: A stroker's report from Reno
« Reply #5 on: March 17, 2010, 09:19:54 AM »
Dan,
   Thanks for posting your thoughts. Great comeback....you have a lot of positives to take away, even with the 129 game. Better luck next year.
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Re: A stroker's report from Reno
« Reply #6 on: March 17, 2010, 09:42:22 AM »
My brother and friends just returned from bowling and said outside of ten(2nd arrow) was flooded. Inside was ok, with good head oil and nice backends.

Most played inside, but it was very speed sensitive. If you pulled it or were a little slow it was going left. If you were a little fast or got it right it wasn't coming back.

This was for a variety of players not just guys that put hand in the ball.

It helps if you have a group that can burn up the outsides a little bit during practice for team. Then you have some room to bump the ball.
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Re: A stroker's report from Reno
« Reply #7 on: March 17, 2010, 10:21:49 AM »
i believe riggs stated that he thought the way to start team was with symmetrical nuggets as well.

kidlost2000, you are dead on about teams working together and breaking the lanes down correctly. that is why teams like riggs do so well every year. they just simply work together.

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Re: A stroker's report from Reno
« Reply #8 on: March 17, 2010, 05:23:55 PM »
quote:
i believe riggs stated that he thought the way to start team was with symmetrical nuggets as well.

kidlost2000, you are dead on about teams working together and breaking the lanes down correctly. that is why teams like riggs do so well every year. they just simply work together.


don't forgot they are excellent bowlers

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Re: A stroker's report from Reno
« Reply #9 on: March 18, 2010, 07:56:32 AM »
tburky, i agree they are excellent bowlers.

just stating that even if the avg bowlers work together, they have a better chance of scoring well and cashing, than having all 10 people play all over the lane.

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Re: A stroker's report from Reno
« Reply #10 on: March 18, 2010, 09:02:20 AM »
dballz, you are dead on -- if you don't work together you are working against each other.

I am going to post a blog on our game plan on Tuesday.  We fly out Wednesday and bowl Fri/Sat.  I'll be blogging from there -- mornings after the nights we bowl -- hopefully be celebrating after we bowl!

I'll post the links on this board.
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Re: A stroker's report from Reno
« Reply #11 on: March 18, 2010, 09:06:36 AM »
Why do people think that symmetric or asymmetric means a ball will or will not hook or have some huge difference in reaction?
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Re: A stroker's report from Reno
« Reply #12 on: March 18, 2010, 10:13:48 AM »
good luck to you and your group riggs!!

kidlost2000, i am not sure people are meaning to say that one type of core won't hook or score out there. just some opinions are stating that symetrical cores may be the better option to start out with in team. but in general, it comes down to how the teams may want to play the lanes and what nuggets they believe will give them the best look.

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Re: A stroker's report from Reno
« Reply #13 on: March 18, 2010, 10:55:40 AM »
IN GENERAL, symmetric provides a smoother reaction than asymmetric ... and GENERALLY smooth, controlled is what you want on fresh Sport shots.
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Edited on 3/18/2010 10:55 AM