Author Topic: Ron Vokes Video (Read 8976 times)

bigfish · « **on:** May 05, 2009, 01:36:07 PM »

There is a video of Ron Vokes bowling on the usopen webiste. What does eveyone think of it?

DP3 · « **Reply #31 on:** May 06, 2009, 06:40:23 PM »

Things will never get "better" and credibility will never be restored. Instead a new bar will just be set of what is good and what's not good, as has been the progression of this game in it's entire exsistance. In 5-10 years, 800 series? So what? Where's your 850? 850+ series.....where's your 900? 900 series.....where's your PBA Player of the year title? Player of the year..... you ain't got nothing on these hall of famers.

and it continues.....

Most people will eventually grow tired of the frustration and just leave completely. When 2 million more bowlers leave, maybe then people will think "maybe we've been going about this all wrong?"
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Mvpbowler · « **Reply #32 on:** May 06, 2009, 06:43:46 PM »

Agreed Shipper, WRW JR would never come on the show with a shirt untucked. For a few reasons, 1 it is a rule that if you have a shirt that isn't a full button down you must tuck it in and 2 because he has a little more class then to do something like that.

I guess being a competitive bowler and traveling the world bowling I have a different idea of respect for the game and showing some class for our sport. I hate what our sport has been know as for many years. That is a "GAME" in which fat overweight people do, who drink beer, and eat their nachos at the bowling center during league. Seriously how are we ever going to make bowling a sport or break that idea everyone has against bowling??
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shipper50 · « **Reply #33 on:** May 06, 2009, 07:21:24 PM »

I give the man all the credit in the world for bowling as well as he did, but the one thing I didn't understand was he wore a Track shirt when interviewed on camera. But in my old style of looking at dress, he looked like a bum in the video.

Shipper

mainzer · « **Reply #34 on:** May 06, 2009, 07:24:08 PM »

I have heard it all on this site! Who gives a crap how he was dressed? How does that affect his bowling? IT DOESN'T!

Pricks grow up! Or are you guys crying about because you didn't shoot as well as he did, Or because you are just as big as he is and are to afraid to admit.

Great shooting Ron you have done something I will never do! The victory is yours, and don't let what any of these fools say affect you!

just my opinion of the comments being said.
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WSUstroker · « **Reply #35 on:** May 06, 2009, 08:02:49 PM »

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I give the man all the credit in the world for bowling as well as he did, but the one thing I didn't understand was he wore a Track shirt when interviewed on camera. But in my old style of looking at dress, he looked like a bum in the video.

Shipper

How do you know he wasn't wearing jeans with that track polo? In clip of him bowling, he's wearing a polo and jeans. I'd much rather wear a polo and jeans and shoot the best AE score in the history of the tournament than wear my nice polo tucked into my slacks and shoot 1600. If the latter seems better to you, more power to you.
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rvmark · « **Reply #36 on:** May 06, 2009, 09:30:09 PM »

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Agreed Shipper, WRW JR would never come on the show with a shirt untucked. For a few reasons, 1 it is a rule that if you have a shirt that isn't a full button down you must tuck it in and 2 because he has a little more class then to do something like that.

I guess being a competitive bowler and traveling the world bowling I have a different idea of respect for the game and showing some class for our sport. I hate what our sport has been know as for many years. That is a "GAME" in which fat overweight people do, who drink beer, and eat their nachos at the bowling center during league. Seriously how are we ever going to make bowling a sport or break that idea everyone has against bowling??
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This is something that I think that you and I are going to have to agree to disagree on because I applaud the man for going out and shooting the score that he did. Whether you agree with how he is dressed is your problem. I think it would be good for you to wake up and not stereo type and categorize league bowlers as fat overweight people who drink beer and eat nachos. Showing some class would mean that you would realize that if you want bowling to grow and prosper that you need to accept all people who like to bowl. No they may not want to dress like you, that does that mean that they do not respect the game. Change is inevitable you can either be part of the change or resist the change that is up to you.

Mark

EagleHunter · « **Reply #37 on:** May 06, 2009, 10:12:48 PM »

Mark,
Quite frankly many of the people on this site have no "vision" past their nose. Some of us actually think a bit further ahead than 5 minutes from now.

The stereotype referenced exists. It may not be reality, but it has lasted for decades, and in many circles that stereotype is the reason that bowling has been in decline and gets ZERO respect in relation to other sports...or non-sports, for that matter (i.e., poker). Would people flock to golf if Tiger Woods looked like Craig Stadler?

The same holds true for scoring credibility. No one wants to take anything away from Ron Voakes. He bowled fantastic and should be applauded and congratulated. With that said, 2,300 is too big of a number for someone to bowl at Nationals. That does not reflect on Mr. Voakes at all...it falls squarely on USBC.

As soon as some of you hear that 2,300 is too high, you automatically assume that some of us want to see 1,800 be the top score. How about some reality? There is about a 500-pin cushion to work with there. Based on previous discussions, I believe that a more acceptable max number would be in the 2,100 to 2,200 range.

The point isn't that 2,300 was shot...it is the possibility that 2,300 becomes more commonplace at Nationals.

shipper50 · « **Reply #38 on:** May 07, 2009, 04:17:11 AM »

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I have heard it all on this site! Who gives a crap how he was dressed? How does that affect his bowling? IT DOESN'T!

Pricks grow up! Or are you guys crying about because you didn't shoot as well as he did, Or because you are just as big as he is and are to afraid to admit.

Great shooting Ron you have done something I will never do! The victory is yours, and don't let what any of these fools say affect you!

just my opinion of the comments being said.
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i agree, wtf..............some people are just plain stupid.. if anything talk about his mechanics or style, not his clothes...people will always find something to complain about nomaddah how irrelevant it is to what someone has done..

To the so called young men above, because someone has an opinion different than yours doesn't give you the right to call them names. I am not a stupid prick, but someone who voiced his opinion about how the man was dressed at a national tournament.

I feel if one is going to bowl a tournament of the stature, then they should dress accordingly. This thing of wearing blue jeans at the Nationals is wrong in my opinion no matter what you think.

Shipper

rvmark · « **Reply #39 on:** May 07, 2009, 08:00:01 AM »

Eagle Hunger I understand your frustration and your views but as time goes on we also need to have the vision of how we want the sport to look and be viewed. Quite honestly it will not prosper if it goes back to the way it was in the 50's, 60's and 70's, if that was the case then it would not have started its decline. I think that you need to be careful that your vision of what bowling should does not end up having the opposite effect and driving more people away.

Look at the summer series challenge they have held the past couple of years. You have the PBA stars bowling in a more relaxed setting with most of the bowlers wearing shorts, yes I realize that this was a special event but I do not think that this went to destroying the credibility of the game or sport however you choose to view it.

And I would also have to say that you must give some thought to what Mark Curran said in another thread on scoring
http://www.ballreviews.com/Forum/Replies.asp?CategoryID=5&ForumID=79&TopicID=235017&PageNum=3
He made I felt several good points as to why scoring pace at nationals has continued to increase. Their must be some middle ground that every one to agree upon, but given all the points that Mark Curran made I think that the possibility will always exist that someone will come from no where and post a huge number.

Mark

CARDSFANAM · « **Reply #40 on:** May 07, 2009, 08:38:39 AM »

I don't see how telling people what they have to wear to bowl in a tournament is going to grow the sport. I mean this year's tournament is costing me quite a lot of money, just like last years did and the year before that. I am not saying let people show up in anything but to tell someone who has paid their hard earned money, especially now with the way the economy is, I just think it's not going to attract more younger people to bowl other than just open bowling. I think the most important thing to remember is this is a amateur event not professional.
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Jorge300 · « **Reply #41 on:** May 07, 2009, 08:50:35 AM »

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I have heard it all on this site! Who gives a crap how he was dressed? How does that affect his bowling? IT DOESN'T!

Pricks grow up! Or are you guys crying about because you didn't shoot as well as he did, Or because you are just as big as he is and are to afraid to admit.

Great shooting Ron you have done something I will never do! The victory is yours, and don't let what any of these fools say affect you!

just my opinion of the comments being said.
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''If their is a life after death,
then their is no death,
and if their is no death,
we do not live''

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MainzerPower

i agree, wtf..............some people are just plain stupid.. if anything talk about his mechanics or style, not his clothes...people will always find something to complain about nomaddah how irrelevant it is to what someone has done..
To the so called young men above, because someone has an opinion different than yours doesn't give you the right to call them names. I am not a stupid prick, but someone who voiced his opinion about how the man was dressed at a national tournament.

I feel if one is going to bowl a tournament of the stature, then they should dress accordingly. This thing of wearing blue jeans at the Nationals is wrong in my opinion no matter what you think.

Shipper

Shipper, no matter what you think it isn't wrong, the rules say it is allowed. Tough Noogies!!!

To those focusing on how he was dressed, grow the F up!!! C'mon people. I don't see you complaining about the 1000 other guys dressed the same way or worse that happen to shoot 1800 or less. Why aren't you crying about them??? You are doing all you can to find fault with this man because either A) You are stone cold jealous and know you will never even come close to sniffing what he did or B) You are just plain stupid. There is no in between.
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LuckyLefty · « **Reply #42 on:** May 07, 2009, 08:52:03 AM »

MVP....I'm saying this.

The Master's in its previous setup would be getting close to having a 60 or sub 60 shot! I believe there were probably times it was being approached and the player stopped himself. On today's current course it would be tough....but didn't Anthony Kim have 11 or 10 birdies this Masters...this on a tougher course.

As to the ability to shoot 60s and below....I bet many players believe by now the tour should have over 30 or 40 sub 60s scores and the guys often stopped themselves by "Trying" and not being used to the idea of doing it!

Ron Vokes 857 is an example of a guy matching up....knowing it...and ....letting it happen...and getting out of his own way to a large extent. An incredible example of relaxation when in the moment.

REgards,

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Jorge300 · « **Reply #43 on:** May 07, 2009, 09:09:09 AM »

Now that we have addressed the children, let me address the adults:

Mybowler, you say 60 can't be shot at the Master's becuase the roughs are too high, the greens are too sloped, and the pin positions are too tough. You are the one who is dead wrong! If you hit the ball in the fairway every time, why does it matter how tall the rough is, you aren't in it. If you hit the greens with well placed iron shots, the slopes could work to your advantage, not against you. If you putt well enough it doesn't matter where they put the pins, you can still put the ball in the hole. Why doesn't it happen, because it's the MASTER'S!! People get nervous, tense, so they pull or push tee shots into the rough. They try and shoot straight at the pins, so the slopes pull the ball away from their target. They push putts or hit them too hard/too soft because they are rattled. Mr. Vokes is a long time bowler, been here many times, he didn't let nerves of being at the USBC Open get to him and hit every fairway and every green.

EagleHunter - how many times are you going to keep up with this? This isn't the USBC's fault, and your attempt to blame them shows a true lack of understanding for our sport. I am not a USBC fan by anymeans, but I will not fabricate things that are their fault. They have enough real things they do wrong that we should be worrying about then attempting to pin something like this on them. And who are you to judge that 2300 is "too high" a score to shoot at the Open? You seem to want the winning score to be 1850 to make you happy. It is because of ignorance like yours we cannot make meaningful changes to our sport. The scores are what they are, period. If you make the shot ungodly tough as you propose, and someone comes along and shoots 1980 or 2000 what then? Do you make them even tougher because the scores are too high in your mind? Where does it stop??? When the winning AE score is 1800, 1750, 1700? There will always be people who are good enough, and lucky enough to shoot big scores, on whatever condition you put down. This was Ron Vokes' two days. The stars alinged, the seas parted, and he found a combination of ball, release, and place to play on the lane that gave him more area then others and more carry then others. If you could recreate those exact conditions and put him on them again, will he shoot another 2300? Doubtful, hell he might not even break 2200 this time, who knows. But to blame the USBC for this is utterly ridiculuous. You want to blame someone for where bowling is today, start by looking in the mirror.
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EagleHunter · « **Reply #44 on:** May 07, 2009, 09:15:49 AM »

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As soon as some of you hear that 2,300 is too high, you automatically assume that some of us want to see 1,800 be the top score. How about some reality? There is about a 500-pin cushion to work with there. Based on previous discussions, I believe that a more acceptable max number would be in the 2,100 to 2,200 range

Jorge,
I will refer you to MY above quote. Apparently you are incapable of actually reading, so please take off your biased glasses and try to read the ACTUAL words that are written, not what you THINK you see. Please point out where I suggested any such scores as you claim in your last rant.

BTW...thank you for proving my point in my previous post.

Edited on 5/7/2009 9:16 AM

Jorge300 · « **Reply #45 on:** May 07, 2009, 09:27:12 AM »

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As soon as some of you hear that 2,300 is too high, you automatically assume that some of us want to see 1,800 be the top score. How about some reality? There is about a 500-pin cushion to work with there. Based on previous discussions, I believe that a more acceptable max number would be in the 2,100 to 2,200 range

Jorge,
I will refer you to MY above quote. Apparently you are incapable of actually reading, so please take off your biased glasses and try to read the ACTUAL words that are written, not what you THINK you see. Please point out where I suggested any such scores as you claim in your last rant.

BTW...thank you for proving my point in my previous post.

Edited on 5/7/2009 9:16 AM

I have doen that in the past with you and you glaze over everything posted. I stand by what I said, no matter what you say in one or two sentences, the other 50 you write overshadows these words with your true intent. I have more vison then you will ever have their sir. I refuse to blindly go after the USBC for something that isn't their fault. Unlike you. Now I think I hear the bell for the short bus calling you, try not to be late.
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