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mrwizerd

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Surface recommendation for Nationals
« on: April 09, 2016, 10:29:50 PM »
I am heading to Reno next month and have a question for surface prep for one of the balls I am taking.  My arsenal will consist of:  Menace at 3000, IQ Tour Solid (pin under ring) at 4000, IQ Tour Solid (pin over ring) at 4000 and a plastic ball.

The ball I am concerned with is the IQ Tour Solid (pin under ring).  Should I keep the surface at 4000 or put something else on it such as 2000?  My concern is with having the same surface on both IQ's and even with different layouts it not making much difference in reaction.

Thoughts?

 

Dave81644

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Re: Surface recommendation for Nationals
« Reply #1 on: April 09, 2016, 10:32:45 PM »
whatever you do, go there with the expectation that you may have to adjust the surface once practice is over.
always go to the lanes to shiny, adjust as needed
if you take something to dull and cant use it, its a boat anchor in the bag

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Re: Surface recommendation for Nationals
« Reply #2 on: April 10, 2016, 08:20:29 AM »
sorry.....no surface adjustments once balls go through inspection. They can be touched only  by a dry towel.

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Re: Surface recommendation for Nationals
« Reply #3 on: April 10, 2016, 08:26:11 AM »
Early on, you will need a ball that is smoother, because the back ends are very clean and have a tendency to hook violently at the end of the pattern.  Later in the shift, you can switch to a shinier ball.
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Re: Surface recommendation for Nationals
« Reply #4 on: April 10, 2016, 09:17:36 AM »
I have friends who just returned from Reno
they were allowed to adjust surface during practice

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Re: Surface recommendation for Nationals
« Reply #5 on: April 10, 2016, 01:09:22 PM »
You can adjust surfaces until practice is over.
I just sent out my stuff.
Most surface I have ever sent out in over 20 years.
Ice oil can be very slick.
Ball needs to slow down quicker either by drilling or surface prep.
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Re: Surface recommendation for Nationals
« Reply #6 on: April 10, 2016, 01:31:48 PM »
sorry.....no surface adjustments once balls go through inspection. They can be touched only  by a dry towel.

not true

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Re: Surface recommendation for Nationals
« Reply #7 on: April 10, 2016, 05:41:51 PM »
I sanded a ball in the back area....no issues but then again maybe they knew how bad I was so it would not matter

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Re: Surface recommendation for Nationals
« Reply #8 on: April 10, 2016, 09:14:32 PM »
I don't think you can change the surface after the ball as been weighed in . I don't see the usbc letting bowlers changing the surface during practice because of the mess that could be made .
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Re: Surface recommendation for Nationals
« Reply #9 on: April 10, 2016, 09:25:04 PM »
According to rule #9 from the usbc tournament page. You can alter ball surfaces up until competition begins.
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Re: Surface recommendation for Nationals
« Reply #10 on: April 10, 2016, 10:56:19 PM »

Just got back tonight, you can adjust surface up until the first ball is rolled in competition just like every other tournament. They even announce this to be the case.

I will never understand why some people go online and say things they have no idea about. Who does that benefit?

Anyway, there is a ton of back end this year, I would recommend taking balls that are either weaker in drilling or overall strength. I struggled during team using strong equipment out of sheer stupidity or arrogance, used a Breeze at 1000 for doubles/singles to average 175. Not terrible for my first time and not executing properly on spares.

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Re: Surface recommendation for Nationals
« Reply #11 on: April 11, 2016, 08:02:28 AM »
I will find out in June . But in the past 27 ABC/ USBC tournaments I don't remember being able to adjust the surface during warm ups but I take stuff with different surfaces so no need to adjust mine.
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Re: Surface recommendation for Nationals
« Reply #12 on: April 12, 2016, 01:31:30 PM »
Within the last few years, the rule was changed to allow surface changes up until practice ends. After that, it's a no-go. You don't see a whole lot of changes taking place these days, but I think that's because many people are used to the old rules.

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Re: Surface recommendation for Nationals
« Reply #13 on: April 12, 2016, 02:01:14 PM »
At 38 feet, and fairly flat, the back ends are going to boom pretty good  out of the gate even on ice oil.  As with all flatter, medium to shorter patterns the difficulty is much more in managing the transitions than getting lined up initially.

We are playing on the team pattern in my singles league right now, and regardless of equipment anything outside of 8 board at the break point is a total teaser.   You may think you have a good look in practice out there, but you wont get to the 3rd frame without a washout. 

Turning to equipment, I have tried a Burgundy Hammer at 4000, an IQ tour solid at 2000, a Viral Solid in box condition, a Pitch Blue at 4000, and an old Cobalt Vibe in box condition.  My best look was with the Cobalt Vibe playing between 15 and 17 at the arrows and keeping the break point inside 10 board.  I also think the Viral with an earlier rolling layout would be effective if I knocked a bit more shine off the ball.  I am going to try my Paradox hybrid at 4000 next week along with the Viral after adjusting the surface. 

Another thing that seems to transcend equipment choice is getting good projection with decent ball speed.  At 17 mph through the heads I had the slowest speed of anybody who had a decent look.   Two or three guys shot pretty good last night playing similar angles to me.  None were using much surface
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Re: Surface recommendation for Nationals
« Reply #14 on: April 12, 2016, 03:04:56 PM »
According to rule #9 from the usbc tournament page. You can alter ball surfaces up until competition begins.

It looks like USBC changed the rule for this year. I'm pretty sure I saw that in the past it defined competition as the start of practice. Which is weird because normally the start of competition is the first ball thrown for score(by anyone).  I'm glad they changed the rule to be in line with the USBC league rule book.

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