I bowl with a great bunch of guys.Some of us played out and a couple played in . you can score from anywhere. I used a Paradigm . The others used a Proactive quantam, code red, Vibe, Vapor Zone and switch blade. Didn't really move a whole lot.. It just depends on your cross and where everyone plays. Nobody really killed them for singles and doubles. Robby P. shot 2089 for AL and I shot 2031. We are leading team allevents for a moment.