Author Topic: USBC 2012 open (Read 2427 times)

Crash7189 · « **on:** April 08, 2012, 01:47:12 AM »

http://above180.com/usbc-hall-of-fame-member-bill-spigner-on-how-to-play-the-lanes-at-the-usbc-open-this-year

Gold Coach Bill Spigner has some advise on how to break down the lane for this year, starts after the 10 minute mark on the podcast. The House I bowl in has the same Oiler the usbc uses. and they called Kegel gave them all there spec's and Kegel gave them some advise on how to set up the oiler. We tried this in practice this past Friday we had 5 guys. We gave ourselves 10 minutes of practice we all used 500 grit & stronger right up 4,5,6,. Then we turned the scoring on . I started with 1550 grit Brunswick Diamondback pin under ring, cg kick out about 45*. Took about 3 to 4 frames to start reading the lane correctly we all had different balls and surface's because we all had different styles .by the middle of the 2nd game the lanes started to open up a little we all kept moving left. I learned in this practice you must work as a team . If you don't you will not score. Remember we only had 5 so we had to bowl twice as many games to simulate a Team event. As we hit games 4,5,6, we went to weaker balls/ covers. I know this is not 100% of what you will see in B.R. but it gave us an Idea of how to play as a team we all tried everything we brought with, to see what worked for each of us. For me surface worked the best I have higher ball speed with medium revs. others i was with have very slow ball speed with med & lower revs they used more polished stuff.

Hope this helps

rdw · « **Reply #1 on:** April 08, 2012, 04:04:02 AM »

Thanks for the info. I think I understand the theory but please explain when do you try and fine a line to the pocket? Did you guys use all ten minutes of shadows with 500 grit to burn up 4,5, and 6 and then use actual scoring time to find a line to the pocket? Or say after about 7 minutes you guys actually tried to hit the pocket? Seems like a big gamble to wait till the score counts to find a line.

Crash7189 · « **Reply #2 on:** April 08, 2012, 10:35:35 AM »

You take all 10 minutes to burn up 4,5,6 with 500 grit, maybe last 2 balls you move 2+1 or 3+2 left and change to the ball that you want to score with. The real good teams (not us) sacrifice the 1st game to break the lane down some more so they can bowl big 2nd & 3rd. games break down the target area in practice and most of the 1st game give you an area to shoot at . Almost like creating wall like a house shot but not as easy as a house shot . I was amazed how well this worked for us in practice. Now every year your burn area could change last year we did 9,10,11. we shot 992,1096,1058, not bad for a bunch of house hacks. The hardest part is to convince your team to do this. get a center to put the shot out for you and try this with your team you will seethe lane break down if you stay with a game plan. to many want to score early if you move in to soon nobody will score good. I used to me on a team of individuals no one bowled good at the nationals once I change to a team that was open to a game plan we all started to score better.

Hope this helps some more

Dave81644 · « **Reply #3 on:** April 08, 2012, 12:51:54 PM »

We also practiced on the "shot"

the guy who does the BR pattern also did the shot for our league

Problem is:

Home practice shot has way more friction in the heads and way less back-end than BR

outside of 5 is death in BR, back home, you could blow a hole out there and find some friction

You can only use your home practice as a concept, not as "the shot or the plan"

once you get there, you will have to see for yourself.

Spend some extra time at home throwing straight at your spares, that is the best tip you will get prior to going.

riggs · « **Reply #4 on:** April 09, 2012, 10:17:27 AM »

You nailed it!

Crash7189 wrote on 4/8/2012 8:35 AM:
You take all 10 minutes to burn up 4,5,6 with 500 grit, maybe last 2 balls you move 2+1 or 3+2 left and change to the ball that you want to score with. The real good teams (not us) sacrifice the 1st game to break the lane down some more so they can bowl big 2nd & 3rd. games break down the target area in practice and most of the 1st game give you an area to shoot at . Almost like creating wall like a house shot but not as easy as a house shot . I was amazed how well this worked for us in practice. Now every year your burn area could change last year we did 9,10,11. we shot 992,1096,1058, not bad for a bunch of house hacks. The hardest part is to convince your team to do this. get a center to put the shot out for you and try this with your team you will seethe lane break down if you stay with a game plan. to many want to score early if you move in to soon nobody will score good. I used to me on a team of individuals no one bowled good at the nationals once I change to a team that was open to a game plan we all started to score better.

Hope this helps some more

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tburky · « **Reply #5 on:** April 09, 2012, 02:02:32 PM »

riggs wrote on 4/9/2012 8:17 AM:You nailed it!

Crash7189 wrote on 4/8/2012 8:35 AM:
You take all 10 minutes to burn up 4,5,6 with 500 grit, maybe last 2 balls you move 2+1 or 3+2 left and change to the ball that you want to score with. The real good teams (not us) sacrifice the 1st game to break the lane down some more so they can bowl big 2nd & 3rd. games break down the target area in practice and most of the 1st game give you an area to shoot at . Almost like creating wall like a house shot but not as easy as a house shot . I was amazed how well this worked for us in practice. Now every year your burn area could change last year we did 9,10,11. we shot 992,1096,1058, not bad for a bunch of house hacks. The hardest part is to convince your team to do this. get a center to put the shot out for you and try this with your team you will seethe lane break down if you stay with a game plan. to many want to score early if you move in to soon nobody will score good. I used to me on a team of individuals no one bowled good at the nationals once I change to a team that was open to a game plan we all started to score better.

Hope this helps some more

I just bowled there over the weekend and that is hitting the nail on the head. Unfortunately the team I bowled on and the other team didn't do that and let me say it was an adventure to say the least. One guy thought he was bowling on a house shot standing against the ball return and sending it right. Needless to say he didn't score and he said it was a crappy shot. I said to him you have no f-ing clue. After seeing this weekend is all the reason that house shots should not exist and the lane condition needs flatten. I've really been in the middle of the road on this but this weekend changed my mind completely. There should be flatter conditions for leagues!

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Jorge300 · « **Reply #6 on:** April 09, 2012, 05:38:25 PM »

tburky,

I know exactly how you feel. Our pair of two teams went in with the game-plan of playing up 8-10 to start. But after about 2 practice balls half of them decided they couldn't play that line and jumped left. I had a good look so I stayed there. As the lanes started to break down, I tried to move left and ran into the wall of oil everyone else pushed right. I went from through the face to a wash-out with only a small 2&1 move. My ball speed was just too high to move in as deep as they were, so I would up basically getting shut out of team. Working together is the key for this year, moreso then years past even. Without that, the team will not score as well as it could and you could really hurt some of your teammates. Even with that, I missed too many easy spares and feel disgusted with how I bowled. My teammates abondoning the plan hurt, but I should have bowled better then I did.

tburky wrote on 4/9/2012 12:02 PM:

I just bowled there over the weekend and that is hitting the nail on the head. Unfortunately the team I bowled on and the other team didn't do that and let me say it was an adventure to say the least. One guy thought he was bowling on a house shot standing against the ball return and sending it right. Needless to say he didn't score and he said it was a crappy shot. I said to him you have no f-ing clue. After seeing this weekend is all the reason that house shots should not exist and the lane condition needs flatten. I've really been in the middle of the road on this but this weekend changed my mind completely. There should be flatter conditions for leagues!

Jorge300

rdw · « **Reply #7 on:** April 09, 2012, 07:25:31 PM »

Thanks for all the info. This will never work at our level. The best thing our team captain can do is try and put players of similar styles together so we don't hurt ourselves too much as we try and do the best we can. We did do the showcase lanes, but used that time to see how the lanes were and to find our own individual line to the pocket. Since all the squads are fresh oil, the showcase lanes would be perfect to practice breaking down the lanes and to see if we as a group can get them to open up.

While I think it is possible to get a bunch of 190-210 house hacks to buy into the concept of lane carving or whatever you want to call it, when it comes to crunch time, we wouldn't be able to do it. Using myself as an example, on the showcase lanes I had a good look from 8 to 6. Now if your asking me in practice to go 4,5,6 you must realize that at my skill level I am only good enough to hit 3,4,5,6,7.

Anyway, in team the tournament lanes have less friction than the showcase lanes and my plan was to play straight down seven. Well, I couldn't hit it and after 5 frames I moved to 9 and finished well. So I wanted to be a "team" player too, but did I panic and move in too early? The concept as I see it is too create some miss room right and have a playable shot for a longer period of time. But I just can't see myself (and my teammates too) sticking with the gameplan and shooting 800 in the first game with hopes of shooting 1000 or so in games 2 and 3.

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