Author Topic: What does everyone think about 2011 Pattern (Read 4672 times)

chrisleftwich · « **on:** February 28, 2011, 02:08:29 AM »

Pattern has been posted a day early. What does everyone think? How are you going to play this pattern compared to last year?

Russell · « **Reply #16 on:** March 02, 2011, 05:19:24 PM »

You're looking at the grid...not the graph. Look at the graph and notice the units outside BEFORE 39 feet. Your ball will not read in oil more than about 9 units (unless you have it sanded at parking lot). The shot will be far from a Christmas tree...

Little known fact: In Russian "Hope" and "Change" translate to "Tax" and "Spend"

230-n-up-or-bust · « **Reply #17 on:** March 02, 2011, 05:47:01 PM »

Russell, just grab a handful and pitch one wide two boards early in practice during your telecast and show them exactly how much free-hook area there is....lol.

Good luck, bro!

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sevenpin63 · « **Reply #18 on:** March 02, 2011, 06:00:32 PM »

Ok I see the Graph now, and see what you mean.

What time will you be on this Saturday, Central time please. Because I think I saw on Bowl.com that you were going to be on pretty late but I don't know what time zone, and good luck, bowl your azz off.

Thanks.

Russell wrote on 3/2/2011 6:19 PM:You're looking at the grid...not the graph. Look at the graph and notice the units outside BEFORE 39 feet. Your ball will not read in oil more than about 9 units (unless you have it sanded at parking lot). The shot will be far from a Christmas tree...

Little known fact: In Russian "Hope" and "Change" translate to "Tax" and "Spend"

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Russell · « **Reply #19 on:** March 02, 2011, 06:00:39 PM »

Thanks man...I'm pretty sure with how little I've bowled this past year and how bad my swing is I will send a few "wide right". If that's the case I'll just hope that he's right and it will just funnel back

230-n-up-or-bust wrote on 3/2/2011 6:47 PM:
Russell, just grab a handful and pitch one wide two boards early in practice during your telecast and show them exactly how much free-hook area there is....lol.

Good luck, bro!

Return with your shield or on it. Strength and honor. Help control the population of Avenging Unicorns. Arm yourselves accordingly. MTIXE

"I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous."-Nick Faldo

Little known fact: In Russian "Hope" and "Change" translate to "Tax" and "Spend"

TWOHAND834 · « **Reply #20 on:** March 02, 2011, 07:29:42 PM »

So you are saying that the shot is going to be inside and play to the range finder with NOTHING outside 5? Now there is a shock. That NEVER happens. I have bowled this thing for 12-13 years now and cant recall too many times where the shot wasnt inside. Guys like Riggs that can split boards will have the success playing in the track area but for about 90% of us going out there, playing in with breakpoint around the range finder is going to be the ticket.

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riggs · « **Reply #21 on:** March 03, 2011, 06:09:00 AM »

Sevenpins, read my blog, which will be updated with more info later today or Friday ... waiting for some more info from people who have bowled on the pattern to do the update. But my blog contains a link to my report last year, which had stuff on reading lane patterns.

http://host.madison.com/sports/recreation/bowling/article_a7c5126c-4394-11e0-a373-001cc4c03286.html

sevenpin63 wrote on 3/2/2011 4:06 PM:
Ok this may be a stupid question but I don't understand all this lingo they are using for this lane condition.

What does this REVERSE OIL and FOWARD OIL mean and all the other terms they are using, can some one explain this to me.

Because when I look at this pattern the way they have it laid out, it almost looks like your typical Christmas tree pattern but I must be wrong cause I don't think they would put that easy of a shot down. Other wise just throw it out to the gutter and let it come back into the pocket, cause it looks dry out there.

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TJonesJr · « **Reply #22 on:** March 03, 2011, 07:01:47 AM »

2HAND - I agree 1000%!! I bowled on the shot last night and per usual you are in the same area and the goal, just like every year will be to break down together to get a smooth transition. How about a little variety in the shot besides a touch longer or a touch heavier. Why cant the "A" shot be outside of 5? or inside of 18 to start? Sick of seeing the same basic set up

Russell · « **Reply #23 on:** March 03, 2011, 01:08:02 PM »

They do this to give all angles a line to play if they want. If they run it long the knucklers will have issues...and if they shorten it much the grip and rip crowd will cry.

They are trying to keep entries up by giving a variety of styles a chance. If one year the leaderboard was loaded with guys knuckling it up 2, entries would be lost the following year..and vice versa.

Little known fact: In Russian "Hope" and "Change" translate to "Tax" and "Spend"

sevenpin63 · « **Reply #24 on:** March 03, 2011, 01:31:05 PM »

Ok thanks, this looks like it will have some good info, I will keep an eye on it.

riggs wrote on 3/3/2011 7:09 AM:Sevenpins, read my blog, which will be updated with more info later today or Friday ... waiting for some more info from people who have bowled on the pattern to do the update. But my blog contains a link to my report last year, which had stuff on reading lane patterns.

http://host.madison.com/sports/recreation/bowling/article_a7c5126c-4394-11e0-a373-001cc4c03286.html

sevenpin63 wrote on 3/2/2011 4:06 PM:
Ok this may be a stupid question but I don't understand all this lingo they are using for this lane condition.

What does this REVERSE OIL and FOWARD OIL mean and all the other terms they are using, can some one explain this to me.

Because when I look at this pattern the way they have it laid out, it almost looks like your typical Christmas tree pattern but I must be wrong cause I don't think they would put that easy of a shot down. Other wise just throw it out to the gutter and let it come back into the pocket, cause it looks dry out there.

DON'T TEMPT THE BOWLING GODS

The No. 1 source for bowling news, analysis and opinion is my blog, The 11th Frame, which is here:
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DON'T TEMPT THE BOWLING GODS

Edited by sevenpin63 on 3/3/2011 at 2:32 PM

TWOHAND834 · « **Reply #25 on:** March 07, 2011, 05:18:42 AM »

But most knucklers will have issues on this because they are making the gutter borderline out of bounds. People with less than 200 rev rates are not going to do anything playing 20 to 10. I understand that they do not want bumper bowling. But, I watched you guys on bowl.com the other night for your team event. It looked like the same old song and dance. Anything right of 8 at 35 feet and forget it, unless you are playing on top of it. As you know, we have needed to use the sub board in previous years and grab that "210" average local guy. He is a guy with a less than 250 rev rate trying to play up 6-7-8 and he shoots 470. USBC Tournament should be about shot making but the same shot every year? What I mean by that, is that you have to play the same part of the lane but it may boil down to ball choice that determines how successful you are.

Russell wrote on 3/3/2011 2:08 PM:
They do this to give all angles a line to play if they want. If they run it long the knucklers will have issues...and if they shorten it much the grip and rip crowd will cry.

They are trying to keep entries up by giving a variety of styles a chance. If one year the leaderboard was loaded with guys knuckling it up 2, entries would be lost the following year..and vice versa.

Little known fact: In Russian "Hope" and "Change" translate to "Tax" and "Spend"

Peace doesnt always have to be silent.

riggs · « **Reply #26 on:** March 07, 2011, 05:47:39 AM »

Lotsa big scores already ...

http://host.madison.com/sports/recreation/bowling/article_b851c9b6-480f-11e0-9cc1-001cc4c03286.html

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TWOHAND834 · « **Reply #27 on:** March 07, 2011, 09:17:15 AM »

Yeah, Riggs. I saw that last night. Usually a mid 1900 is good to take the lead for the first weekend. But they are already pushing 2100.

riggs wrote on 3/7/2011 6:47 AM:
Lotsa big scores already ...

http://host.madison.com/sports/recreation/bowling/article_b851c9b6-480f-11e0-9cc1-001cc4c03286.html

The No. 1 source for bowling news, analysis and opinion is my blog, The 11th Frame, which is here:
http://host.madison.com/sports/recreation/bowling/

Peace doesnt always have to be silent.

Russell · « **Reply #28 on:** March 08, 2011, 09:05:23 AM »

I'm not sure what you're asking for from the pattern. There is a shot in the track almost every year, and I don't know of any "knucklers" that are forced into playing 20 to 10 on the fresh unless they have no clue what they are doing. If you want the ball to recover from right of 8 when you're playing 20 at the arrows go bowl a tourney on a house shot. I personally like shooting 1800 and cashing because it took quality shot making. If you get your way it will take 2100 to cash and 2350 to make any real money. If you're in brackets you had better shoot 750 to even think about it.

Just because you can't fling it to 5 and watch it bounce back doesn't mean that people with lower revrates can't score. As you said they have to stay on top of it....if they don't hook the ball...why is that a bad thing?

TWOHAND834 wrote on 3/7/2011 6:18 AM:

But most knucklers will have issues on this because they are making the gutter borderline out of bounds. People with less than 200 rev rates are not going to do anything playing 20 to 10. I understand that they do not want bumper bowling. But, I watched you guys on bowl.com the other night for your team event. It looked like the same old song and dance. Anything right of 8 at 35 feet and forget it, unless you are playing on top of it. As you know, we have needed to use the sub board in previous years and grab that "210" average local guy. He is a guy with a less than 250 rev rate trying to play up 6-7-8 and he shoots 470. USBC Tournament should be about shot making but the same shot every year? What I mean by that, is that you have to play the same part of the lane but it may boil down to ball choice that determines how successful you are.

Russell wrote on 3/3/2011 2:08 PM:

They do this to give all angles a line to play if they want. If they run it long the knucklers will have issues...and if they shorten it much the grip and rip crowd will cry.

They are trying to keep entries up by giving a variety of styles a chance. If one year the leaderboard was loaded with guys knuckling it up 2, entries would be lost the following year..and vice versa.

Little known fact: In Russian "Hope" and "Change" translate to "Tax" and "Spend"

Peace doesnt always have to be silent.

Little known fact: In Russian "Hope" and "Change" translate to "Tax" and "Spend"

230-n-up-or-bust · « **Reply #29 on:** March 08, 2011, 02:08:08 PM »

We're bowling on the Open pattern tomorrow night with identical lanes, pins, approaches, and conditioner. I know, I know, I know. It's never the SAME but you can only do so much without actually bowling in the Stadium, ya' know?

230-n-up-or-bust wrote on 2/28/2011 6:18 PM:I like the fact that there's noticeably less conditioner at the end of the pattern from a side-to-side perspective. The cushion should be a little right of what it was last season with the normal OOB for errant shots. If you play with moderately surfaced equipment around 10-7-ish during warm-ups, I think you might be able to create a nice little bounce area.

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chrisleftwich · « **Reply #30 on:** March 10, 2011, 09:35:36 AM »

Well just got back from bowling Nationals and one thing I can say is that there is some hook out there. I started team event playing down 8 with a Alpha Max and just did not have the greatest reaction. I tried to move inside a little and as Russel has stated, seemed like the ball would wiggle down lane a little. Switched balls to the Outburst last game and found some standing 15 hitting 12 at arrows out to 8 at breakpoint.

Started watching everyone shoot singles and doubles and figured I needed something to get through the heads a little better so had a Loaded Revolver drilled up, when i got on the lanes stood 20 hit 15 at arrows out to 10 and the shot pretty much stayed for me the whole two sets, I did have some trouble with carry though. Ended up shooting 1760, so not the best, but i will take it anyways. Our team ended up shooting 2920, which i thought was decent enough.

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