first i want to say thanks to betsy at visionary for getting me the multiple balls quickly.
i drilled up the ogre first: 15lbs 3-4 pin 3.17 top. drilled with pin above center of bridge, cg in center of grip. mb 90* from thumb. no weight hole needed.
took surface of ball up with brunswick rough buff.
started out on fresh oil ths. heavy oil from 15-15 slightly lower units from 15-5 and buff from 5 to gutter.
started standing 25 with left foot  sent ball across 20 to 5 and left turn to the pocket.
the ball was much stronger than i had thought it would be. i threw multiple shots with different hand positions but the ball had a very strong move left at the break point. i used this ball in league and it handed the carry down with ease. this ball will be the first out of my bag from now on.

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Shannon Williams
DR REVS
Bowlers Edge Proshop
Core Tech Member
Banger Bowling test staff
Visionary Test Staff
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The OGRE solid utilizes an newly designed coverstock
Which a symmetrical, dual density core design without a wrap
It’s interesting and easy to drill and set up.
The OGRE core is  an modification of the design used in the Centaur/AMB/Immortal lines.
The single flip cap design  produces more flare than the Green/Blue Centaur but less than the Immortals .

This is a good Ball to fill your Bowling equipment variation Zone.
The Orgy has a nice, smooth move to the pocket.
Reads the midline and make a strong but smooth turn on the backend.
 I shined the ball from box condition so it would retain more energy
From Finish: 600 Matte to 1500,

This ball is clean thru the heads  with a earlier read then the Immortals
As a Mid- lane reader this  ball was much stronger than I had thought it would be.
 I tried the Orgy  in multiple houses and  different  lane Conditions still  the ball had Positive movements
Impact is  resilience leaving  much needed energy for impact with the pins.
Because it a middle condition ball it may not be suitable for heavy oiled lanes

My specs:
Left handed, ball speed around 16 MPH, rev rate around 300 RPM, axis rotation of around 60 degrees, and axis tilt around 30 degrees.

Visionary is a company I’ve been keeping my eye on for a while, so I thought I would give them a try.  I’ve heard good things about the durability of their coverstocks, and I like their core designs that don’t utilize a wrap.  I decided to try the Ogre Solid first.  Drilled it up with a 4.5” axis-to-pin distance with the CG stacked.  I put the pin very high, about an inch off the vertical axis line.  I’ve used this pattern before, and it usually gives me good length with a very defined move on the back end.  The “maiden voyage” was in a PBA Experience league on the Viper pattern.  The first three games out of the box were 224, 235, and 227 for a very nice 686.  This is in a house where I averaged 218 on the house shot.  This ball draws attention to itself before you ever throw it.  The color alone was drawing people over to look at it as soon as I put it on the rack.  It drew even more attention its first trip down the lane.  A little 10 to 8 shot, good length, and a nice controllable arc at the finish.  Pins stayed very low, 10 in the pit.  Shot after shot was the same thing.  An occasional corner pin stood, but a very consistent roll and reaction.  As the night went on I got a little carry down, but by the third game the only adjustment was to go straight up 8.  Overall impression was that this would make an excellent “benchmark” and “keep it in play” ball.  This instantly became my first ball out of the bag.  For me, it seems to work better playing straighter to the break point, without giving too much of the pocket away.  There is not enough differential to be a “coast to coast” ball unless you’ve got a lot more hand than me.  It reacts very consistently and smoothly.  Some people would say that this is not very exciting.  I guess that’s true, unless you consider living in the pocket exciting.  When you can throw game after game and not remember the last time you missed the pocket, I’ll take that over an eye-popping back end every time.  All in all, I’m extremely pleased with the ball and can’t wait to try another one of Visionary’s products.

Finally got a chance to try this ball in league play. Oil machine malfunction, lots of oil all over the lane. 229 high game playing strait up the boards at the 10. Great ball in the oil. OOB finish, have to try change to cover to see what happens.
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"We are all one"
Visionary test staff member

Visionary isn't a formilliar company in The netherlands and I like to try something new/different. I bought the ogre to be my 'early rolling ball'.

I was afraid this ball would roll too soon with it's 600 gritt, so i decided to give it a long and not that strong drilling.

Player:
*23-24 km/h (about 15 mph)
*normal revs
*medium tilt

Ball:
*14 pounds
*3-4"pin
*3 ounce topweight

The pin it about an inch over the bridge and the CG is directly below it. Guess this would make it a 5/5.5 inch pin-to-pap. No X-hole

Due to it's low differential in combination with this weak drilling, it doesn't flare much (about 1 inch). It doesnt read that much midlane, so i have to play straight lines with it. On a THS (40 feet) i'm able to play board 12-5, but on a flat pattern i really need to play tight.

It's strange to watch a 600 gritt ball getting much length and just starts to read when it hits the dry. Even with this drilling I expected an earlier read.

When the backends are really dry, this ball is wonderfull. It gets down the lane in a straight line and then flips hard. When there it some carrydown, this ball won't flip anymore. It gets a more angular reaction, wich makes it hit the pocket to far in the back - leaving 10 pins. Playing more tight is the solution.
The ball needs to hit some dry spots to react good. It has an over-under reaction, but im pretty sure its because of the way the ball was drilled.
I really do like the carry of this ball; it keeps the pins low. Most flat hits still fall, where most balls leave buckets.

It's a great ball for me, its just not the early roller/heavy oil ball i thought it would be.

My Stats:
Right Handed
Speed: 16-19 mph
Rev Rate Not sure

Bowling Ball Specs:
Weight: 16.00
Top Weight:3.04
Pin: 2-3
Layout of ball: Stacked Leverage
Surface of bowling ball: Box Finish (600 Matte)



Lane Conditions: House Shot
Type of Lane: Synthetics

Likes: Ball hits like a truck! I can move to different lines and performs well.

Dislikes: (Not the ball's fault) I can only use it for two games tops because of the amount of oil they are putting out this summer. Can't wait to use it in the winter!!

I really like this ball. Haven't played with the cover that much other then going from 600 matte, to 1000 matte and the ball wasn't moving like I enjoyed it at 600 so it went back.
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Visionary Test Staffer 08/09

This ball i decided to use a 5X3 layout, surface was kept at OOB. I drilled this ball up specifically for tournaments where PBA patterns were being used. The drill was to get the ball through the front part of the lane due to the fact that i would almost always be bowling on second shifts due to my schedule but be able to handle carrydown with the surface. This ball worked perfectly, the ball made me over $750 within the first three months of getting it. I even found that this ball works exceptionally well on even the cheetah pattern to help me even out the overreaction.
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Glenmore Bowl employee
About 350 RMPs ( Guestimate )
High Track- (* Dont Know My PAP *)
17 MPH ( Guestimate )