If anyone has any suggestions about how to lay this ball out I would greatly appreciate any help. I purchased a used one that Im looking plug and redrill. The previous users drill was the same as mine so I was able to test it out and get an idea of what it will do. I am RH,16-17 mph,revs maybe 300??(Ive never been able to get a reading). I dont know if you would call me a stroker or a tweener ,I play down and in throwing it over 8 out to 5. I come up the back with the thumb at 11:30 and have a lot of (maybe too much) forward roll. Right now the pin is a little over my ring finger at about a 2 o'clock. Pin is 2+1/2 from my PAP. If you look at the immortal drill chart I would say the pin is somewhere between C and D probably a little closer to C. Mass bias I estimate is about 1/4 inch off the edge of the thumb hole, looking at the drill chart between the 2 and 3 position a lot closer to the 2. On a house shot on the dry side,not much oil in the heads I get a slight angular move when it hits the dry (34-38 ft.?), then nothing, not even any more arc...just a straight flat roll to the pins.                          
Im looking to make this go long and snap (in other words,do what its designed to do),as all my current equipment is buring up too fast and nothing left at the pin deck. I know I need to get the pin out more than 2+1/2 but I dont want to put it out too far.

Thanks in advance !

Edited on 1/29/2008 11:13 PM

Try to change the surface , maybe go with a lower grit & then polish ? , Or go with 1000 or 2000 abralon NO polish. You should get more on the back end if you have carry down.
A polish ball that really likes dry boards will die if you have dry heads. It will use up all its energy too early.
I would try the abralon surface with no polish first and then if need you can polish it. good luck VBP balls are very easy to change the surface.
BTW next to my frankie may the Immortal pearl is the strongest ball i have. I really like my IP
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Visionary Test staff 07/08

OK,I've found out the following...I have a low track with the closest ring about 3+1/2 off my thumb. The problem isnt carrydown but is an extreme hook-set reaction (that I really dont like).  Also let me ask about this if anyone has an opinion..a proshop says my PAP is 2' over and 5/8 down, does this seem in the ball park for a low track player? I thought most peoples PAP was in the 4-5+1/2 over range.  If the proshop is accurate,this puts the pin to the right of my PAP,so whats that going to do to my reaction?

Bill...thanks for your advice. Im dont have the technical know how to answer all your questions but I can tell you this...Im getting almost 4" of flare with the rings 1/4 apart at the maximum span of the bow-tie. It doesnt look like its revving up all that much in the first 30 ft.etc but I cant really tell. But it does make a quick move at the dry then rolls straight at an angle to the pindeck. Personally that type of reaction leads me to think it poops out. To me that doesnt seem like a strong and/or energy conserving reaction

Thanks Steve, would you recommend pin to PAP 6+3/4 to get it far enough over?