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Title: Anyone thrown the Green Gargoyle?
Post by: TheBowlingKid25 on July 23, 2004, 08:56:05 AM

I am getting one of these fully plugged already, in a trade with Doug Sterner. Any info I should know about for this ball? Any type of drillings it "does or doesnt like"? And what kind of reaction does it have? Im gonna polish it up for my light oil ball. Im not sure how to drill it though, will it go long and snap if I put the pin say, over the bridge, or maybe over the ring? Is it even a snappy ball? Well just give me your opinions on it please.
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16 years and still going strong! 16 years old that is! The names Warrior Princess, Xena..Warrior Princess
And why would I "saw" pins in half, THATS A WASTE OF PINS!

Title: Re: Anyone thrown the Green Gargoyle?
Post by: twister on July 24, 2004, 12:04:22 AM

It'll go long with a medium flip, if you want to tame it down , put the pin closer to the track. I would not consider it a dry lane ball that's why they came out with the centaur. But, like I said the closer to the track the less it'll flare.

Title: Re: Anyone thrown the Green Gargoyle?
Post by: TheBowlingKid25 on July 24, 2004, 12:09:29 AM

Well I want it to be flippy. But will it be too strong for "light" oil lanes? I plan on polishing it so, I think that will help get it farther down the lane also. Put it this way, it will be alot less ball then the Triple X right? Cuz right now, I stand anywhere from 40 to 47 to throw that ball. I do have weaker stuff, but I either dont like the reaction of it, or theres a gap, where the Triple X is too strong and my other stuff is too weak.
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16 years and still going strong! 16 years old that is! The names Warrior Princess, Xena..Warrior Princess
And why would I "saw" pins in half, THATS A WASTE OF PINS!

Title: Re: Anyone thrown the Green Gargoyle?
Post by: twister on July 24, 2004, 12:26:22 AM

It's definately less than your XXX. I would still keep the pin over the fingers for length. you can always go up to 5000 polish if you need it.

Title: Re: Anyone thrown the Green Gargoyle?
Post by: TheBowlingKid25 on July 24, 2004, 12:37:03 AM

I was gonna try pin over bridge, cg stacked straight below. Never had this drilling, kind of curious what it'll do.
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16 years and still going strong! 16 years old that is! The names Warrior Princess, Xena..Warrior Princess
And why would I "saw" pins in half, THATS A WASTE OF PINS!

Edited on 7/24/2004 0:34 AM

Title: Re: Anyone thrown the Green Gargoyle?
Post by: stanski on July 24, 2004, 01:17:08 AM

how long is the pin on the ball?
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Title: Re: Anyone thrown the Green Gargoyle?
Post by: TheBowlingKid25 on July 24, 2004, 01:19:40 AM

GOOD QUESTION! I will find out when I talk to Doug again.
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16 years and still going strong! 16 years old that is! The names Warrior Princess, Xena..Warrior Princess
And why would I "saw" pins in half, THATS A WASTE OF PINS!

Title: Re: Anyone thrown the Green Gargoyle?
Post by: TheBowlingKid25 on July 24, 2004, 01:20:34 AM

Edit: just talked to him, its a 3 inch pin.
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16 years and still going strong! 16 years old that is! The names Warrior Princess, Xena..Warrior Princess
And why would I "saw" pins in half, THATS A WASTE OF PINS!

Title: Re: Anyone thrown the Green Gargoyle?
Post by: stanski on July 24, 2004, 01:33:16 AM

with a three inch pin, since you are a higher rev player, a pin over the bridge should work just fine for what you are looking for. it should make the ball just weak enough, but still provide plenty of snap due to the stacked drilling, assuming your pap is in a normal position. the ball will definately need some dry in the backends, but should work for what your using it.

i have a flashpoint drilled with the pin a quarter inch right of above my bridge (5 inches from my pap) with the cg in the grip center (5.5 inches from my pap) and this ball can be used on lighter conditions but really is better on mediums with fresh backends. the green gargoyle has a much higher rg, and a little lower diff., and a weaker coverstock, so it should definately work for what you are looking for.
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stanski

Title: Re: Anyone thrown the Green Gargoyle?
Post by: TheBowlingKid25 on July 24, 2004, 01:34:35 AM

my PAP is 5 3/4 over, and 3/4 up. If that helps any, with what type of reaction and roll I'll have, I dont know but thats what it is.
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16 years and still going strong! 16 years old that is! The names Warrior Princess, Xena..Warrior Princess
And why would I "saw" pins in half, THATS A WASTE OF PINS!

Title: Re: Anyone thrown the Green Gargoyle?
Post by: PopPop200 on July 24, 2004, 01:34:47 AM

Hello;
         My Green Gargoyle has a stacked drilling with the pin aside of and  below my ring finger. Frankie May drilled it for me, and under the right conditions, this ball is unbeatable. Those conditions are: Light oil, with clean back ends. I don't like the reaction that I get on extremely dry lanes. The ball will work well on dry lanes, but not the desert. I also have to put the ball away if I run into carrydown. On this condition, the ball skids a bit too much. I like the ball, but in my opinion, you have to know when to throw it, and also when to stop throwing it, but you have to do so much sooner than some other balls.

Title: Re: Anyone thrown the Green Gargoyle?
Post by: a_ak57 on July 24, 2004, 01:36:59 AM

Yeah BK, I think that will work for you.

Cool, poppop200 lives right near us, BK!

BTW, how is Frankie May at drilling?  I was gonna take my new power groove to him...
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Edited on 7/24/2004 1:32 AM

Title: Re: Anyone thrown the Green Gargoyle?
Post by: TheBowlingKid25 on July 24, 2004, 01:37:47 AM

I was actually thinking of having Frankie May drill this ball, beacuse my pro shop is very expensive, and his shop is only about 45 mins away. I think it would be worth the hike.
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16 years and still going strong! 16 years old that is! The names Warrior Princess, Xena..Warrior Princess
And why would I "saw" pins in half, THATS A WASTE OF PINS!

Title: Re: Anyone thrown the Green Gargoyle?
Post by: stanski on July 24, 2004, 01:43:09 AM

your pap is pretty close to mine, and i believe from your description that we throw the ball similarly. you'll have to have a good conversation with your ball driller, since he will obviously know more then i do, but my comments still apply.
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stanski

Title: Re: Anyone thrown the Green Gargoyle?
Post by: A_P_K on July 24, 2004, 01:49:03 AM

The Greenie doesn't like either ends of the spectrum, too much oil or too much dry.  Even on drier lanes it will go a long distance because of it's 1500 grit polished pearl cover, but it also has the ability to be wicked on the backend.  

You might even be able to use it on a fresh shot that has been oiled short, given you have a strong enough hand to get it to turn the corner.  If you can and do, the Green Gargoyle will be pretty angular since it will skid for days.  I'm not saying this is a bad or good idea, but just a different look to prevent multi ball changes and such.  

I had the most success with it on a broken down shot more towards the light oil area.  I would send the ball out and it would recover nicely.  The ball hits and carries well, as all Visionary equipment does.

Oh and your drilling would be similar to mine which will promote long length and a pretty big backend movement.  It is better suited for lighter oil unless you can crank it up.

ON EDIT:  My drilling is the same as Pops...and it does what he says it will...but you might be able to get it to turn in carrydown if you belly the ball earlier in the dry.  (I can)

If you need more info read some of the reviews from the test staff...or even mine...
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Always Aggie Dun

Pin_Krusher IS a serious threat to modern day bowling wood as we know it today.




Edited on 7/24/2004 1:46 AM

Title: Re: Anyone thrown the Green Gargoyle?
Post by: TheBowlingKid25 on July 24, 2004, 01:52:44 AM

Well A_P_K, I am intending this as my light oil ball so thats good
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16 years and still going strong! 16 years old that is! The names Warrior Princess, Xena..Warrior Princess
And why would I "saw" pins in half, THATS A WASTE OF PINS!

Title: Re: Anyone thrown the Green Gargoyle?
Post by: MI 2 AZ on July 25, 2004, 12:58:55 PM

I had a Green Gargoyle for a while and I liked it for light oil conditions.  Very snappy ball for me on that condition but kind of weak for a house shot.  Good ball to have for tournament 2nd or 3rd shifts.  

BrianN, sorry, I never tried any of those balls you are trying to compare it to.
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Title: Re: Anyone thrown the Green Gargoyle?
Post by: A_P_K on July 25, 2004, 02:23:25 PM

Compared to the Too Hot the Green Will go longer and break harder on the back.  To me, the Too Hot seemed like a pretty even arching pearl for lighter oil patterns, but didn't have the juice to work on more than that.  With slower speed, drill pattern, and more revs you can get the Green to work on a fresh short oil pattern.

Compared to both Sonic Xs, obviously the Green will break harder.  The Sonic Xs are also pretty even balls but the pearl makes a slightly bigger move on the backend.  The Sonic Xs are real good if you need something weak and even in pretty light to barely any oil.

I don't know about the others except I can tell from watching my teammate, the Messenger TI is a few boards stronger and a few feet earlier.  It's a pretty well rounded ball that will work on alot of conditions.
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Always Aggie Dun

Pin_Krusher IS a serious threat to modern day bowling wood as we know it today.